February 28, 2005
Setting aside for now about the efficacy of the "HIV = AIDS" thesis, this demonstrates that wilfull behavior is the most important reason we still haven't made much headway against AIDS deaths.
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In Courage and Courageous Choices, I discussed an interesting book whose main purpose is to teach parents how to raise kids to keep themselves safe.
A big part of the book is teaching children to make courageous choices. The rationalization is that people who do courageous things are choosing to overcome fear and help someone else out. We don't help when we feel panic and fear for ourselves. Turning the situation into a child protecting the parents by keeping themselves safe allows the child to not be as afraid for themselves, and theoretically not paralyzed by that fear. I didn't hammer that aspect much, as there was a little too much to consider to cover everything in one post. I'm sure I'll hit this subject again.
I touched upon the courage involved in overcoming adversity, and living with pain, disfigurement, and discomfort. The reason I did discuss that is due to an off-line discussion I was having with a friend. The friend made some good points in defense of Oregon's Assisted Suicide Law, but in the end, I don't think the government, the medical profession, or society should take even the first step toward legitimizing suicide. Suicide is an unfortunate choice that someone should be able to choose, I guess...but it should be discouraged. As a society, we should be encouraging and teaching courage in the face of the worst pain and disappointment and despair. You only lose when you stop trying.
I was perhaps more emphatic in that view than normal, having just read this book (linked in the previous post) on teaching children to be courageous. It just seems to me that if we attempt to teach our children to be courageous (and we should, and I am), that it is hypocritical to encourage cowardice in other situations. No matter how hopeless a health situation might seem, medical miracles do occur. I've seen so many people given 6 weeks to live that last 6 months or more...euthanasia for the point of avoiding pain would have deprived them and their families of months of living together. Maybe at some point, the willful endurance of pain leads to some greater understanding of life? But if you assist in a suicide, then you permanently end any such chance, don't you?
Imagine my surprise to see Zombyboy and some of his commenters expressing pretty much the same thing.
And something else just occurred to me:
Depression is one of the stages of death, correct? But those stages end with "acceptance". Which stage would someone most likely beg for euthanasia? Right: Depression. So euthenasia proponents would prefer to deny people their chance at acceptance of their death. That strikes me as cruel, albeit on an emotional level rather than physical.
Simply put: The main purpose of life is not to avoid pain. That being the case, there is no reason to adopt that attitude at the last second, at the point death is near.
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Rick Von Slonecker is tall, rich, good looking, stupid, dishonest, conceited, a bully, liar, drunk and thief, an egomaniac, and probably psychotic. In short, highly attractive to women.
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Yeah, this was the inspiration...
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Do not curse the Ex-Girlfriend. For without the recently-spurned woman, how would there be inexpensively-priced guitar gear in the pawn shop?
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Well, I sold a bass this weekend for $15 in a garage sale. So ex-girlfriends and or marriage... same thing when it comes to musical equipment.
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Sharp as a Marble on February 28, 2005 09:30 AM
"Largemouth", "Sea", or "Hybrid"?
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Nathan on February 28, 2005 09:36 AM
While I doubt you would appreciate the movie, there is an outtake on the High Fidelity DVD that takes this meme to a hilarious conclusion.
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R. Alex on February 28, 2005 01:23 PM
...actually, I enjoyed the movie quite a bit.
I'll have to rent the DVD to see the outtake, now.
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Nathan on February 28, 2005 01:26 PM
Oh my goodness, R. Alex- that was the perfect example of a woman scorned seeking her revenge. High Fidelity is one of my Top 10 favorites movies of all time. Wink, wink :D
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Rae on February 28, 2005 01:39 PM
Nathan,
I didn't realize until I hit post how snooty that sounded. The movie was a mixed bag for me so it sounds like you liked it more than I did! My bad :).
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R. Alex on February 28, 2005 03:29 PM
You didn't strike me as snooty...I just was trying to figure out what I might have said that would lead someone to believe I wouldn't like a movie revolving around classic rock music...
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Former Nebraska center Richie Incognito, who withdrew from school after being suspended from the team for disciplinary reasons last fall, was injured after posting the best 40-yard dash for offensive linemen. After running a 4.90, Incognito suffered a knee injury during pass-rush drills.
From the Kansas City Star Online.
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All I know is that if you're a defensive tackle, you'd better find him -- because he was one of the dirtiest players in the Big XII when he was at Nebraska.
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I just started reading the book, Raising Kids Who Can Protect Themselves, by Debbie and Mike Gardner.
It is truly enjoyable to read a book that alters your attitudes and perceptions within the first few pages. I can't wait to keep reading through the whole book (although I lack much time to do so at the rate I wish). I may read it through a second time.
In some aspects, it didn't really change my philosophy of raising kids at all. Things like, "Reward the behavior you want to see"...
But the revelation for me was that they simplify safe and dangerous situations on the basis of behavior:
Everyone should be golden, i.e., nice, friendly, living by the golden rule.
But if someone makes you feel creepy and looks like they might invade your personal space, you have the right and the responsibility to get orange (agressive, or rude) with them: look them in the eye, tell them to leave, back away to increase your space. If the person presses the issue, they are now acting red (intending to hurt, angry), and you have the right and responsibility to act red to keep yourself safe: point your finger at them like a gun, use profanity, run. If that person tries to grab you, or silence you, or otherwise enters your personal space, you strike at their wind before they can grab yours.
See, my wife thinks I'm too naive and soft, and maybe she's right. I always want to be golden, and I want my children to be golden with people. And I think my wife is orange and red too often, too suspicious of anyone and everything.
I haven't known how to teach my kids to be kind and nice, but to stay safe, and I didn't want them to never trust anyone like my wife wants to. This book kind of shows me the way to teach my kids to act golden, but to listen to their instinct on when to act orange to keep themselves safe...and anyone, peer or adult, who acts red in the face of your child's self-preservation reaction of orange is probably intending harm, justifying your child to act red to keep themselves safe.
Okay, that's way simplistic. Go read the book.
However, the main thing I wanted to get at was they want you to teach your children to have the attitude: "No matter what happens, I have the ability to figure out a way to be okay." The alternative, they say, is actually telling your kids: "I don't trust you or your judgment." The point is to teach your children to act with courage, not with fear. If they do, they probably will be okay. They will react to adversity with strength and optimism. And that will lead to confidence that increases the chance for success and safety in everything.
I think you can probably see immediately that there is a socio-political lesson to be learned here.
There is a political party that says, "I don't trust you to make decisions for yourself. If we don't provide, you won't be okay." There is another political party that says, "I trust you to work through your problems. There may be discomforts, and you may fail, but I think you can succeed if you keep trying."
The attitude of the first party encourages weakness and dependence and unhappiness and fear. They think that pain/discomfort is to be avoided. They think that being in a bad situation means you will most likely remain in that bad situation unless you get help.
The attitude of the second party encourages strength, independence, optimism, self-confidence, happiness, and peace. They think that pain/discomfort is part of the learning process, and necessary signals to tell you when you are doing something wrong. They think that if you find yourself in a bad situation, at most you may need some advice to get out of it more smoothly, but most of the time getting help just prevents you from learning why you ended up there in the first place.
I tend to be an optimistic person, but I can tell you that there are some things that I was afraid of: a chemical attack that leaves you with a lifetime of aftereffects/damage. Paralysis. Scarring. Having one of my children be sexually abused or raped.
Of course, I still don't want any of those things to happen, but now I can see that all it takes is a tiny change of attitude to dispel the fear: "No matter what happens, I will figure out a way to be okay."
If my daughter gets pregnant, I don't want her to feel she has to hide it from me, or get an abortion. I want her to tell me: "Daddy, I will figure out a way to be okay." With that attitude, I will certainly help her to make sure there are no permanent crippling experiences. She might miss a senior prom, but her experiences as a teen, unwed mother would be different, not worse. If my son gets in a car accident because he was drag racing and loses an arm, I would want him to face life with courage and say, "I will figure out a way to be okay, Dad." That's taking responsibility for your actions and taking ownership of the situation you find yourself, whether it was your actions or someone else's that put you there.
There are many types of pain in the world. There are many ways to get hurt. Some pain is chronic, and it strikes people who we think don't deserve it. Other people live lives of privilege.
I've been told I'm privileged. And if someone looked at my current situation, that might be easy to assume. It would ignore the pain and difficulty and struggle I've already been through in life, and that I learned from it.
If at any point I had given up, I would never have made it here. If at any point my Mom had decided another pregnancy was too difficult, I wouldn't have ended up here to write this. Courage always wins, cowardice always loses. I want my children to face life with courage, not cowardice. I never want them to assume that the answer to a problem should be someone's death. I never want them to think that the best answer to difficulty is to end the pain, whether through chemicals, escape, or suicide.
This book is the first step of teaching them that. And I will.
I once worried a little bit about letting my son watch the Power Rangers, but went ahead with it, deciding that if there were any problems arising from it, I could notice it and take care of it if necessary. Now I can see that silly little karate show is going to be a big key to teaching my children to have courage in life. I have the key I need to unlock the chains that bind happiness.
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I can say that having one of your children sexually abused is devastating. It is definitely something you should be extremely aware and cautious about. It happened to my disabled daughter a year ago and I will never be the same after having learned about it. I can't blog about it yet and I don't know if I ever will be able to.
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Kris on February 25, 2005 04:59 PM
With this book, I think I will be able to give my kids the tools to prevent it from ever happening to them.
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Nathan on February 25, 2005 09:26 PM
Nathan,
I agree with the premis of the book. I taught my kids to always try and be nice, but that there are some very nasty people out there, with stealth agendas and hidden motives, and that if somethings seems suspiscous, it probably is. Always be prepared to defend yourself - It's much better to be accused of over-reacting than to be dead.
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Vulgorilla on February 28, 2005 08:11 AM
Nathan, I think because of my past, I have a spot-on discernment about people, predators specifically. After pointing out specific people whom I would never trust, just from watching them, to my husband and then having each of them either arrested or sued for being a sexual predator, R began to take seriously my ability to identify them, and he believes it is a gift from God. I don't know but that it isn't simply having been forced to look out for myself as a child, and thus developed the ability to recognize filth before it consumed me.
E and A are both old enough that I have specifically asked them if they ever experienced molestation and they have both told me no. When they were little during bath time, I would casually remind them that their body was for them only, and that anything their bathing suit covered was considered private. I then outlined who was allowed to see and/or t_uch: themselves, mommy only if something was hurt, and or the doctor for the same reason but always and only with mommy in the room. I also told them that no one should ever ask them to look at their own private areas. We sometimes forget that. I also told them exactly how to handle that situation should they ever find themselves in it. I reassured them that mommy would always listen and believe them when they had anything to tell me.
I made it a rule- recall little girls play dress-up frequently- that no one undresses in front of anyone, for any reason, ever. Go into another room and lock the door. I also don't let my children play at a home where I am unfamiliar with the parents, and simply never allow them to play when no parents are home or only the father is home. If a dad has ever been offended, he has never voiced it, and honestly, if he did, it would probably prompt suspicion from me.
I have also, as early as last night, had to give E some steps to remember when she needs to let someone know to back off. We had this conversation in front of R, and when I finished making sure that she understood that as a Christian it is O.K. to have personal boundaries and also O.K. to let someone know they are trespassing on them, or how to recognize and react to someone making her feel strange or weird, he said, "And you always have me, E. If anyone ever makes you feel strange, please tell me. I will always be an advocate for and protector of you." I was so warmed by this commitment, but a tiny part of the little girl left in me winced, wishing she had had less legwork to do on her own.
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Rae on February 28, 2005 02:12 PM
P.S. The whole point of my very long comment: Good for you, Nathan. You are the only and best advocate for your children. I think it both noble and resourceful that you are teaching this to your children.
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Great discussion on the USAF here. It touches on the history of the USAF, interservice rivalry, Close Air Support needs/methods, new military technology, future warfare...it is the best thread ever, and I'm not saying that just because I'm a participant. Honestly.
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"Yeah, it's not so much that I feel sick, it's just that my stomach it bothering me...well, to be exact, my bowels feel like crap. Wait! Let me, um, rephrase that.
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I'd say that was TMI, Nathan, but I'm battling the same thing here. Mine's both ends, however. I'm tired of puking. It's particularly annoying because I'm trying to complete assignments for my first online graduate course.
Hope you're feeling less, um, crappy. Thanks for the link to my ultrasound post. : )
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Specifically, an appropriate and amusing reponse to Mommy Madness.
There's even a Manolo Blahnik reference for you!
...I just wish I'd gotten more links for commenting on this within hours of the article being posted...one of the first, although probably not the first to do so...
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Okay, I think I understand what Chris was getting at: Apparently, he's a Cobbler to the Stars. I'm not sure why that is particularly relevant today. Did Hunter S. Thompson have a secret collection? Or is it just the Oscars?
Can someone clue me in?
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There are so many things wrong with this, I don't know where to begin...
But even officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have acknowledged the case is alarming.
...I'd say, it's alarming if you are gay and have had sex with 100 men in the last month or two while going through crystal meth like it was candy. Otherwise, I'm not sure I'm all that worried.
Instead of being a new strain, the virus could have rapidly developed into full-blown AIDS because of something unique to the patient, said Dr. Douglas Richman of University of California at San Diego.
...so, having gay sex with 100 men in the last month or two while going through crystal meth like it was candy is not unique to this man? I just want to make sure I understand what they're getting at, here.
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The very excellent Asia By Blog is up over at Simon's World. Go check it out, ok?
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February 24, 2005
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... she's got the right to choose, but only as long as her choice is abortion. If she chooses life, it's not legitimate. I don't want to assume such a horrid thing, but it really begins to appear as though these people will consider themselves successful when they perform more and more abortions every year. Their claims of "safe, legal and rare" ring hollow. If they're so concerned about women's rights, they should also provide ultrasound for their people.
From Anywhere But Here.
If she's not on your blogroll, she should be.*
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It's revealing how the pro-choice attitude parallels that of a certain Dr. Marcia Angell of Oregon, who's concerned that the state's assisted-suicide law is "not being used enough."
posted by
Francis W. Porretto on February 25, 2005 03:11 AM
Man! There's no place like Oregon!
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Nathan on February 25, 2005 05:22 AM
I am proud to live in a state where we allow people to choose if they want to end their life.
The shame is that the federal government continues to threaten Oregon doctors who actually provide this service...and now less and less are willing to provide a lethal dose of medication for fear of having their licenses revoked or receiving other punishment from the gubmint. I don't think there's less people who want to end their life peacefully with a modicum of cognitive ability. I think there's just less doctors willing to help them.
But hey, maybe all my years working in hospice makes me a little opinionated on this one.
posted by
Jo on February 25, 2005 07:20 AM
Quick fact check, BTW: Are you sure she's a doctor in Oregon?
Ah, the beauty of blogs: no need to actually make sure the statements are accurate.
posted by
Jo on February 25, 2005 07:22 AM
As long as we meet the standard set by CBS News and the New York Times, I see no problem.
[grin]
posted by
Nathan on February 25, 2005 07:29 AM
That's all right, Jo, you go ahead and be proud. And try to stay that way when Oregon starts to abound with reports of the elderly being euthanized at the doctor's decision, rather than their own -- just as has happened in the Netherlands.
We kill babies when their continued existence would inconvenience us. Now we're killing the sick elderly, who can seldom put up an adequate fight against the concerted pressure of medical men and relatives. Does anyone else remember what Martin Niemoller said on this subject?
posted by
Francis W. Porretto on February 25, 2005 08:04 AM
I will be addressing that issue in a post, Francis; please avoid letting the discussion lapse into the personal.
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Nathan on February 25, 2005 08:06 AM
I believe the beauty of living in America is having the freedom to choose. I wake up in the morning and choose what I do with my day. I choose what I put into my body, I choose a God that I worship, I choose an existence of my own design.
And when the day comes, I know I will have a choice of whether or not I continue my existence.
I believe I deserve the right to choose how I die. I believe you deserve that right, too. And I believe all my neighbors should be best judge of when the time to leave this life is...not doctors who can keep us on machinery and extend our "lives" indefinitely.
Your insults mean nothing. And I do remain proud. One day we will look back on this and be stunned that the government ever wanted to interfere with such a personal decision.
When you spend years caring for the same person who only parts their lips to painfully whisper "please, I want to die, I can't take the pain", you might have some idea why I feel what I do.
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Jo on February 25, 2005 08:17 AM
And again: fact check please. Is that so much to ask?
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Why "Roe V Wade" Will Not Stand Much Longer
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Exhibit A.
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Exhibit B is particularly interesting, actually, in that it touches upon something I've been trying to add to the discussion for years (but no pro-choice/pro-stem cell research advocate is willing to address):
The concept that abortions are the sole choice and responsibility of the woman because "it's her body" cannot stand without ignoring that the "fetus" (or: baby, or blastocyst, or what-have-you) has different genetic material than the woman. It cannot, therefore, be acting on control of "her own body", can it?
As the push for stem cell research grows stronger, genetic material will have a dollar value, and it would only be a matter of time before a man sued for control of his genetic material after it left his body.
This case was a different development than I anticipated, but it is the same thing: he is asserting the rights to his genetic material and the disposal thereof. The idea that--
The judges backed the lower court decision to dismiss the fraud and theft claims, agreeing with Irons that she didn't steal the sperm.
"She asserts that when plaintiff 'delivered' his sperm, it was a gift - an absolute and irrevocable transfer of title to property from a donor to a donee.
--is incompatible with the idea of child support.
There are multiple conflicting principles at work in this court case. It will be interesting to see how they play out. It won't be in the favor of liberal ideology, I don't think.
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Actually, this proves that a fetus -- or blastocyte, or whatever -- is a third entity. It is composed of more than just the biological mother's cells or the biological father's, and is thus an entity unto itself. The idea, therefore, that the mother has greater standing to terminate its existence is absurd.
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...because they have gone beyond all possible common sense.
"In fact, salt is generally recognized as unsafe, because it is a major cause of heart attacks and stroke. The federal government should require food manufacturers to gradually lower their sodium levels."
In fact, groups like the Center for Science in the Public Interest is generally recognized as unsafe, because it is a major cause of people smacking their foreheads in disbelief, assault on activists who want the govt to increase control over daily lives and reduce choice, and generally increasing the overall aggravation level of the average US citizen.
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From the We Know What's Best for You Dept.
I'm just going to rename this blog: "My New Car Blog".
One of the things I think that the test-drive writers miss when they give reviews of cars is perspective.
I mean, sure, they drive alot of cars, so they get a good idea of what kind of rattle gets annoying after a while, how much power you need to merge, which seats are just plain the least comfortable. And they can pass that on to the consumer to purchase the best car.*
But here's the thing. I say that my car is excellent compared to a Sentra, Corolla, Civic, Focus, Cavalier, Neon, Spectra, Excel, etc... And I may insist that I think it is the equal to the Camry, Accord, Altima, Sebring, etc (lacking some things I don't care much about but for a significantly lower price)... But I'm not actually comparing this new car to those, am I? I'm comparing it to the car I drove to work over the last four years: a 1991 Toyota Corolla. So if my Verona lacks an inch of legroom the Camry has, I'm only going to notice that there's more space in the back seat of my new car than my old car, even with the driver's seat pushed all the way back. I'm only going to notice that it has more power, more torque, smoother shifting, and quieter operation and drive than my 2001 Corolla.
I say that Honda priced themselves out of my loyalty. That's sort of true. I did get onto their lot to see what was offered for what price on their Civic Value Priced car. But I saw that they were adding things like a trunk liner, ugly rubber floor mats, splashguards, etc, that I didn't want to pay for, and lacking a few things I would prefer, like cruise control, or maybe manual transmission for better mileage/acceleration. When I went to look at any of their other models, the prices jumped to above $17,000 way too quickly.
When I went to look at Kia (the Optima, specifically), it was to see what kind of car I could get that was supposed to compete with the Accord and Camry for around $10,000. But again, when you started getting a few options that are nearly non-negotiable, like a V-6 for decent power for that size car, CD player, power locks, etc, you were over $17,000. If you wanted the leather, it was over $21,000... ...for a car reputed to just about disintegrate before your very eyes the day after the bumper-to-bumper warranty expires. But I guess they got me on the lot to at least look.
I went to look at cars this time for the Ford Focus. I'd heard about its "spacious" interior and "deft, European handling". Well, I felt jammed up against the salesman (also over 6'0" and wide-shouldered), and I felt every bump in the road and heard the road noise. The salesman suggested we try a Suzuki, and I very nearly blew him off based on the derision I've held toward the Grand Vitara, XL-7 and Samauri (which at least one reviewer said was totally unfair...). But I went to check and was stunned by how comfortable the ride was, how much power it had...and, of course, how much I got for the listed price. Keep in mind, I was comparing to the car I drive daily. So I just had to be impressed enough to get into research. What I learned in research led me to go into negotiations. And the negotiations went well enough that I got a car I love for the price. Would I love a BMW 5-series more? Yes. But I'm not willing to pay that price.
I got my car for $14,700 flat out. Let's take a look at all the other sedans I could get for under $15,000. Be sure and notice how many of them start just barely under the magic $15,000 mark, and consider how little you probably get on that baseline car, and how easy it is to go over just with floor mats, base sound system and air condititioning.
Suzuki hit on the lure to get me in and interested. It will be interesting to see if any other companies figure it out...or if I'm unique enough in my cynicism and frugality to make it worth it for any company to try...
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Okay, I found the trip odometer. In fact, it has Trip A and Trip B. The buttons for it are hidden by my hand in my normal driving position. I didn't get an introduction to the vehicle because it was late at night and we were both tired. I told the salesman I'd call him if I had any problems and would stop by on Saturday for the complete introduction.
I actually only looked at this car once in daylight, and was only driving it at that time for a comparison. I was somewhat focused in the Forenza or maybe the Reno, to tell the truth. But throughout the process, I wanted more and more to get a more "grown-up" car, one I could take my commander home from the airport with without embarassment. And I guess as the process went on, they were getting more excited about getting a 2004 off their lot...!
I was reading the reviews of the car at Edmunds, um, after I bought the car. I know I mentioned that before, there is another point I want to make from that. One of the commenters said that after the car adjusted to his driving, he had plenty of power and got gas mileage far above the posted ratings. I mentally shrugged, considered the guy a little out of touch with reality, and moved on.
It turns out he may not have been so crazy.
When looking at the car and all the literature, I had been paying attention to the horsepower, gas mileage, fit/finish, price, and amenities (can't call 'em 'options' since they are all standard). One thing I missed in the literature was that the car has something called "smart" transmission. Here's a quote from a press-release puff piece:
The front-wheel-drive Verona comes standard with a "smart" computer-controlled four-speed automatic transmission. A feature called adaptive shift control allows the transmission's computer to "learn" the Verona owner's driving behavior and then adapt shifting patterns to optimize the car's performance.
Does any other car do this? I can see where this would be a definite cool thing, and could explain why the I-6 seems underpowered compared to its competitors: the test-drive editor hadn't driven it long enough! (perhaps)
Now, if this is already the industry standard, then disregard. But I haven't seen any other car company claim this feature, much less make a highlight out of it...
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One of the commenters said that after the car adjusted to his driving, he had plenty of power and got gas mileage far above the posted ratings.
That's funny, especially in light of the Verona's "smart transmission" -- I've had this weird notion that I and the vehicles I've driven have "gotten accustomed" to each other since my first car. In almost every case I've found that whatever I was driving regularly seemed to respond better to me than someone else's car I might have occasion to drive (family, friends, that obnoxious state trooper who took too long searching my truck...).
Of course it's really just a matter of becoming familiar with the way to get the best desired performance from your own vehicle, but it seems for a lot of people it happens so naturally that it does almost seem the vehicle is meeting you halfway.
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McGehee on February 25, 2005 06:01 AM
...and then, so Suzuki builds a car that really does meet you halfway. (I clicked "Post" without finishing my thought. Happens sometimes.)
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McGehee on February 25, 2005 06:02 AM
I'll let you live...for now.
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This is day three of my new car ownership.
I love it even more.
I had developed a pretty strong like of Honda products. I had purchased a used 1995 Civic back in 1998, and it did a great job for me. We purchased a brand-new Civic in 2000, and loved it. A year later, we felt we needed something bigger, and so traded both Civics for a brand-new 2001 C-RV. I have come to know what to expect from them, and appreciate their quality, workmanship, engineering, and price.
But they have now pretty much priced themselves out of my loyalty range.
And I even had some buyer's remorse on the C-RV by day three, to tell the truth.
But this Suzuki...Wow. I'm beginning to feel like they should have used the "Superman" S for their symbol.
The speed-sensitive steering works like a charm. I feel almost like it knows where I want it to go before I tell it. I've never had to use more than a light touch. The turning radius is tight, too.
Whisper quiet in operation. Plenty of power for my tastes. I still find it absolutely beautiful to look at. The engine as smooth as silk in acceleration. The fit and finish is excellent, I can't find a flaw in it anywhere.
One minor annoyance: I wish it had a "Trip Odometer" in addition to the regular one. It seems like they could have added a button and programmed the computer for a handful of bucks, and it would be worth $100 to me over the life of the car.
Still, though, this is a great car, and if it holds together well, I will probably buy a Suzuki for my next car. Of course, that should be in about seven years, since I expect to keep this car for some time.
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Hi Nate...it's been a while!
I've never owned a Suzuki automobile, but I've rented several during various business trips, including the Verona. I've found them to be peppy, responsive, attractive and fairly well-equipped. Can't comment on their long-term value, as I've not had one for more than 4 weeks at a time. But my own car is a 2003 Altima (which I love), and I felt like the Verona compared well with the Altima. I think the Japanese just make better cars across the board.
Enjoy (and let's talk again soon...)!
posted by
Dalin on February 24, 2005 08:13 AM
The Suzuki Verona is GM Daewoo-based, and the majority of Suzukis sold in the continental US are made in Ontario Canada, not Japan. ;)
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Jo on February 24, 2005 09:03 AM
Oh, and your Altima was more than likely made in Smyrna, Tennessee. It's just a smidge outside Nashville.
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Jo on February 24, 2005 09:07 AM
Jo,
Yeah well...and your mamma too. ;)
To rephrase:
"I think the Japanese just design or at least stick their name on better cars across the board."
posted by
Dalin on February 24, 2005 09:37 AM
:P
don't make me come over there, Dalin! I am sure Nathan has your address handy, and he'd probably enjoy the irony of his only two left-leaning commenters slugging it out. ;)
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Jo on February 24, 2005 09:57 AM
So that means your next car is going to be an Altima, then, Jo? Since it's so non-foreign and all...[grin]
The Verona is actually even more worldly than Jo says: The interior and exterior of the Verona (and the Forenza, incidentally) was originally designed by an Italian design company for the Korean-based Daewoo that was purchased by GM when it went bankrupt. These designs didn't fit the GM line, so they passed them on to the Japanese company that they own 24% of: Suzuki. Who, in turn, have the engines made in Australia.
Woot!
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Nathan on February 24, 2005 10:32 AM
Hey, I have already owned a couple CAMI cars. No complaints. :)
I think it is excellent that Japan has taken note of strong work ethic and skill of American laborers. Woo!
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You get that too? I was thinking I need to somehow incorporate the WOD into at least one post each day and see how long it takes people to 'out' me for it!
posted by
Sharp as a Marble on February 24, 2005 07:23 AM
It probably would have taken me a while to catch on, because I only find about 1 in 5 of those unfamiliar and unique enough to read the whole entry...
Luckily, I don't get many readers, so your secret is safe with us! Go for it.
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"I appreciate the importance of reducing emissions, but this has gone too far."
posted by
Jo on February 23, 2005 12:39 PM
[chortle] Funny!
But he's not going to see it if you don't post it on his blog....
posted by
Nathan on February 23, 2005 12:41 PM
that was special for Brain Fertilizer audiences only.
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Jo on February 23, 2005 01:43 PM
Toonces. You're funny. I'd forgotten all about that stupid cat. heh
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So last night I purchased a brand-new 2004 Suzuki Verona S. I paid $14,700 and got $500 for my 1991 Toyota Corolla in Fair condition with $146,000 miles...
Here's the thing: I don't think there is a car out there that is as good as the Verona for that price. (The same goes for the Forenza, but I didn't buy one of those...)
If you have a chance and would like to purchase a new car, I'd go to your local Suzuki dealership and see if they have any 2004s in stock. The engine, materials, style, and everything is identical to the 2005...the only thing they add for 2005 is the side-impact air bags. So you can get a brand new car that they are desperate to get rid of, that should have been off the lot last October.
The Verona compares well with mid-range Accords and Camrys in looks, fit and finish, materials, and size. But a similarly-equipped Civic or Corolla or Ford Focus or Dodge Neon (all a step below) will cost you a few thousand more than a brand new 2004 Verona.
I'm sure you could get a Forenza (which compares favorably in all but power and gas mileage to all entry-level vehicles in everything but gas mileage) for an even cheaper price.
I think even the 2005 models are worth checking out, and probably still the best deal going. There are cheaper cars out there, yes. You can get a Kia Rio or Spectra or a Hyundai Accent. There are cars out there with better gas mileage and more power, like a Ford Focus or Honda Civic.
But the Suzuki represents a far better value than any other vehicle, in my opinion. The cheaper cars don't have Suzuki's quality. The more powerful cars don't have Suzuki's inexpensive price. The cars with better reputation don't have all the added extras without going into the upper echelon prices. You can walk out of the dealership with a brand new 2005 Suzuki Forenza S for the neighborhood of $15,000 (maybe less). A similarly-loaded Honda Civic would cost you at least $3000 more, and you'd also overpay for bunches of gee-gaws you don't really want, like mudflaps and a trunk tray.
In some ways, having all the extras be standard is nice: it simplifies things, and you get all the stuff you normally want even on a baseline vehicle like the S. In some ways, I admit it is a problem, in that you can't mix and match things. There's no way you can just get the sunroof on an S without simply upgrading to the LX level, with the extra things (like alloy wheels) that you may not want.
I keep comparing it to the Accord and Camry, but when it comes to options, it even beats out the "cheap" cars like the Kia Optima. Because when you go to look at the $10,000 Optima, and you think of the options that you really want, like a 6-cylinder engine, cruise control, CD player, floormats, etc... you very quickly get into the $18,000 range.
And for what it's worth, Intellichoice.com rates the Forenza S and Verona S (but not the LX and EX models, strangely) as being Top 10 for both low depreciation and low maintenance costs. For a car that's only 2 years old (they factored that in), it's pretty impressive.
One thing you'll note at Edmund's reviews of the Verona S, is that while the professionals rate the car only a 6.0 out of 10, the actual owners rate it an overall 9.1 out of 10. I'm going to wait a few months before I put my rating in, but I think I'll probably be about the same. I think the reason for it is, the professional writers just judge a car on its merits alone. They don't have to drive a Kia or Hyundai long enough to see it disintegrate before your eyes (within about 2 years lots of the stuff is broken or shabby looking), they don't own an American car long enough to hear its rattles and squeaks. And they certainly don't need to worry that much about price.
And price matters. I'd be depressed if I paid $30,000 for this car, sure. I'd have a heart attack if I'd been able to get this quality for less than $5000. I don't care how good a Civic is, if it costs my $19,000, I'm going to be a little unhappy, wondering how much I paid just for the reputation. Every time I get in this car, I'm going to think about how comfortable it drives and how nice it looks and how I would have gotten a noisy, boxy, cramped car from any other car company for the price I paid, and I'm going to feel quite happy and proud. The professional writers don't really get to have the experience to add to their writing.
Oh, and I found a picture of the same car, same color for your viewing pleasure.
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Nice car! I expect to be taken for a drive in it if I'm in the neighborhood sometime... lol
Wish I had a new car. We drive an '89 Acura Integra Rustbucket, but it was free. Some people in our church gave it to us while my husband was ministering there, so we'll probably drive it unitl it literally falls apart. We also have a '93 Villager (yes, I am ashamed to admit that I do drive a mini-van) with a dented-in side door and a collection of bumper stickers. That one was free, too, because Rick's mom passed away and left us $10K. We went to the lot and bought it outright. It's been a very good vehicle, I must admit, even if it is a mini-van.
Congrats on the car, and thanks for the advice.
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From Today's Best of the Web.
Some Blacks Are More Equal Than Others
Buried in a New York Times story on the massive increase in black immigration to America may lie the undoing of racial preferences in higher education:
"African-born and Caribbean-born brothers and sisters have realized that the police don't discriminate on the basis of nationality--ask Amadou Diallo [an immigrant from Guinea who was accidentally shot by police in 1999]," said Professor Charles J. Ogletree Jr., who teaches at Harvard Law School and has warned colleges and universities that admitting mostly foreign-born blacks to meet the goals of affirmative action is insufficient.
"Whether you are from Brazil or from Cuba, you are still products of slavery," he continued. "But the threshold is that people of African descent who were born and raised and suffered in America have to be the first among equals."
Ogletree seems to be arguing that American-born blacks deserve preferential treatment vis-à-vis foreign-born ones, at least if the latter do better than the former absent such preferences. In other words, in the name of "affirmative action," he is calling for discrimination against black people who were born outside the U.S.
The trouble with this is that the argument the Supreme Court has used to justify racial preferences in university admissions is "diversity." Favoring someone from the Bronx over an African-American from Burkina Faso is hardly a way to achieve that goal.
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The people who complain the loudest about the horrible state of America are usually those most insulated, by position and wealth, from the supposed catastrophes.
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*sniff*
Eeyore was my favorite Pooh character.
posted by
Jeremy on February 22, 2005 04:15 PM
And you took that Title in a negative sense, so I guess it fits that Eeyore was your favorite...[grin]
...I originally had "Cassandra-ish", but her predictions come true (because) nobody believes them. Marvin the Depressed Android-ish was too long. I couldn't think of another classic negative person.
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Nathan on February 22, 2005 04:17 PM
To play the devil's advocate for a moment, one reason might be that those that aren't insulated simply aren't in a position to be heard.
posted by
R. Alex on February 22, 2005 10:50 PM
Hey, these are Quotes You Can Steal, not Quotes You Can Use Logic to Critique and Improve!!! [grin]
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This strikes me as wrong on the face of it.
Historical tourism, yes. Historical tourism that highlights events of the past 50-60 years, sure. But to try to add legitimacy and increase loyalty to a communism the current government itself only pays lip service to? That seems like a possible disaster in the making, to me.
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Police believe pregnant woman and 7-year-old son are dead, and the victims of murder.
Okay, not to condone murder of the woman as justifiable or anything, but it seems clear that a selfish and unscrupulous man might go so far as to murder a woman to prevent a birth. Obviously, both men and women sometimes feel driven to murder someone who they feel is preventing their happiness.
...but (assuming the guy mentioned is eventually convicted for the crime) did he have to murder the 7-year-old kid, too? What motivation could possibly cause him to think he had to do that?
Don't get me wrong, it's absolutely horrible he (allegedly) killed his pregnant ex-girlfriend. Nothing excuses that action at all. But the fact that the 7-year-old son was murdered, too, just increases the tragedy many-fold for me.
UPDATE: They found the bodies.
Please note: when I linked the NBC article at first, it said the bodies hadn't been found yet. Apparently they updated the information at the link to reflect the new information. I'm not trying to be redundant here.
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Looking at the pictures of that child makes me feel a horrible pit deep in my stomach.
posted by
Hubris on February 22, 2005 12:37 PM
Me, too.
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Nathan on February 22, 2005 01:14 PM
When someone can kill a woman for no other reason than to prevent her from giving birth, what is there to stop him from killing a child who might name him as the murderer?
It is horrible. The two seemed so full of life, and a new and beautiful life was about to be added to the world.
Greed, that is the crux of the matter. His lifestyle and the ability to spend money on what he wanted and not on a child .
So horrible, so sad.
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By this weekend, I will probably purchase either a new 2004 Verona S or a 2005 Forenza LX. My goal is to pay no more than $13,500.
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Sigh.....a sporty car....
We simply must have a van to accommodate us all. R asked if I wanted to go with a car with the seat option in the front. I reminded him of our need to travel 1700 miles together, and gave an emphatic no way would I want to be squished up like that for that long.
So van it will be.
posted by
Rae on February 22, 2005 08:51 AM
To tell the truth, I think within another 5 years we'll see the return of a car wide enough to accomodate 6 passengers.
posted by
Nathan on February 22, 2005 08:55 AM
Nathan- Behold, the future! I mean, sitting out front. :)
http://www.chevrolet.com/impala/
Six passengers. Comfortably, no less. ;)
posted by
Jo on February 22, 2005 09:24 AM
Well, I was right, wasn't I? [grin]
I'm really surprised by this, though. The standard has been single person bucket seats in the front for quite some time.
...and I gotta say, I sat in a 2004 Impala, and there didn't seem to be room for 6 passengers, but I'm assuming full-size adults. They don't specify that in the linked webpage. So perhaps that's 4 full-size adults and two 8-year-olds? Could you pack 5 child's car-seats/boosters and still have room for a driver?
we used to have that with most cars in the mid-70s, and maybe even the Caprice Classic into the mid-80s, but it's been sadly absent since.
Interesting link, Jo, thanks.
posted by
Nathan on February 22, 2005 09:37 AM
the sedan model fits three adults ok. Two adults and a tween comfortably.
I made a pact with a friend many years ago that no matter how many kids, no matter what life held, we would never own minivans. :) I intend to keep my promise, haha.
posted by
Jo on February 22, 2005 10:11 AM
Three quick reactions to that:
1) That's too easy, considering SUVs.
2) What does the "Freestyle" count as? Minivan or SUV? It tries to be a cross of both.
3) What's wrong with minivans? It's an effecient way to move people and things.
posted by
Nathan on February 22, 2005 10:13 AM
Easy to answer: A.) friend and I think they are ugly, B.) We think they're the vehicle equivalent of sweatpants, C.) Ask anyone who works an espresso bar, a fast food drive-thru, or as a gas station attendant "what does your rudest, most obnoxious customer drive?" and you'll probably hear "minivan" repeated incessantly.
Sure, C is a chicken and egg thing, but why risk it. ;)
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Jo on February 22, 2005 10:20 AM
Hm. For me it has always been Cadillac/Towncar drivers.
"equivalent of sweat pants", eh? Colorful...but what do you wear in situations that call for sweatpants (like exercising on a chilly morning), then? Diaphonous silk? Point being, when something is appropriate to your needs, why let style concerns stop you from using it?
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Nathan on February 22, 2005 10:24 AM
Ever try to run in sweatpants? ;)
it was more of a humourous anectodte about two young people trying to make sure they preserve their "cool" as they age, but since you're pushing:
There is an epidemic in this country of mothers who think because they have one kid, and might have a need to seat a friend, too, by God, they need a minivan. I see it every day, and it is unbelievably unnecessary. They take up too much space (well, if minivan drivers could ever learn they don't belong in "compact" spots it might help) and are not known for fuel efficiency. Nor are they very safe either. If one was concerned about safety and seating a brood, they'd get a Volvo wagon with the third seat option. No American minivan can ever beat the performance or quality.
posted by
Jo on February 22, 2005 10:39 AM
I run in sweatpants all the time...
Costwise, minivans these days can be a good value. You can usually find a new, year-late model minivan for less than $14000.
And while a Volvo station wagon is definitely a better buy overall, it costs 2 to 3 times as much. Some people simply can't swing that. Not to mention that requirement to wear earth sandals and redecorate your house with patchouli-scented hemp-strung love beads...(just kidding!)
Compared to a similarly priced mid- to small-SUV like the C-RV or Ford Escape, you get approximately equal gas mileage and much more convenience: dual sliding doors, fold-flat seats, etc.; they usually have cargo/person-hauling capability as good as the Explorer/Durango/Envoy class, but cost, fuel economy, and size/footprint is much better.
Now, I doubt I'd make the same choice. I'd probably prefer to buy the Impala you linked and just rent a truck on the days I need to haul something.
I agree with you that some people buy inappropriately big vehicles for the wrong reasons, lik on the off-chance that someone might come to visit and they'll need the extra room...a much more cost- and materials-efficient way to handle that is to just rent what you need for that week once a year, rather than pay the gas/maintenance depreciation costs on a big SUV or minivan.
A question about depreciation, though: which is worse? To buy a $10,000 car that depreciates by 50% in the first year or a $40,000 that takes 5 years to depreciates by 50%? The cheaper car can only depreciate so far, and if it still runs and is in decent shape after 5 years...?
Which is yet another reason I probably will never buy a BMW, Audi, Volvo, Benz, Porsche, Cadillac, etc. No matter how great the resale value is, you lose more money driving one of the nice cars around than you do something inexpensive. I'm all about getting people and stuff where they need to be in the most efficient and least expensive way possible...
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Nathan on February 22, 2005 10:54 AM
One of the reasond minivans depreciate so rapidly is because they seem to have more ailments once they get worn in. Does that say more about the people who buy them, or about the vehicle? Who knows.
But they are a very poor buy. Look at the resale on a Volvo. really holds value.
Not that I would buy one! ;) If I don't go bigger next time, or if i don't need a truck, I will probably go for a Saab or Malibu.
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Jo on February 22, 2005 10:59 AM
If I need the space and wanted to spend the money, I'd almost definitely go for the Malibu Maxx. Impressive piece of work, there.
...except that I'd give the Freestyle a good, hard look, too. Lots of versatility built into the Freestyle.
But I don't need it right now. I just need a good, non-cramped grown-up-looking passenger car.
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Nathan on February 22, 2005 11:08 AM
I dunno, that freestyle sorta has that hippie Subaru styling. ;)
posted by
Jo on February 22, 2005 11:19 AM
Subaru's are for hippies?!??!!
Huh.
Most of the people I knew who drove them in the 80s just wanted a decent car that could deal with rough county roads and occasional deep snowfall.
So they've assumed the mantle of "Peace, out" from Volvo, then?
posted by
Nathan on February 22, 2005 11:22 AM
...other people can join in, too, you know.
If I wanted to have a conversation with only Jo, I could just email her.
posted by
Nathan on February 22, 2005 11:25 AM
Subarus are the modern-day granola-cruncher-mobile. Hard to believe MT or I have never owned one, eh? ;)
posted by
Jo on February 22, 2005 11:33 AM
Slowly coming to terms with the fact that I now drive a minivan. Heh.
Sad thing is that it's dying and we can't afford another van, so I have no idea what we'll do. Something sedanish, I suppose, that will be used with an eye toward replacing it with something bigger down the road. We really need the van space so that Jay can pick up parts even if the weather is bad, too.
Oh, well. Being broke is a bitch. *shrug*
The van has the best of being a car and the best of being bigger all wrapped up into one. It's the most damned practical thing I've ever driven. Not as long as a wagon so it's easier to park, handles like a car rather than like a truck, lots and lots of space, easy to get kids in and out of, and some of the features on the new ones are downright fancy. I used to hate the minivan drivers, too, but I'm really not looking forward to having to make do without mine.
Er, not that I have an opinion or anything. :-)
posted by
Deb on February 22, 2005 05:26 PM
Wow. I was the thread killer. Not so often that I have that honor. :-)
Congrats on the purchase. Sounds excellent.
posted by
Deb on February 23, 2005 03:50 PM
Nah, you didn't kill the thread...just showed up a little later than usual and I didn't have time to respond to your comments...
I pretty much agree with your opinions about vans.
But then, since actually being cool has never been a possibility for me, I never had to worry about making the attempt.
posted by
Nathan on February 23, 2005 08:35 PM
I am afraid you are probably correct (or at least those whom you know that work the gas stations and drive-thrus) but as a free-thinking, tolerant woman, I am a teeny-tiny bit surprised that you lump all of us minivan drivers into one broad category ;)
Unfortunately, women think that they are more deserving than all the other people in line with lives to be assisted simply because they have children. I really do despise that attitude and feel both embarrassed for the misrepresentation and annoyed that one is so selfish.
"No matter how many kids"- Jo, come now. If you had (according to your own pact rules) 7 children and had to take them all with you somewhere, and were legal in the transportation (that is, required everyone riding to either have their own seatbelt or to be in a car seat), I want to see the car that you would use to get to your destination :D
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If you peruse what I've written about China, or if you can find the archives of my older blogs online, you'll see that several times I've insisted that calling the Mainland Chinese "Communist" is inaccurate. They haven't really been communist for more than a decade.
However, they are still Totalitarian. You don't need to be communist to be a despotic government.
Market reforms have come to much of China, and the urban elite are getting rich, achieving materialistic dreams.
But the rural peasants are being left behind. And they are getting resentful.
Communism gained favor in China because communist leaders promised the people they would own their land and everyone could get rich. They toppled the Kuomintang (Nationalist Party) that supported wealthy landowners oppressing tenant farmers to institute land reform and let the people own the land! ...and then treated the brand new peasant landowners like tenants, taxing them heavily and telling them how much they could sell their agricultural products for. But the People put up with it, because after all, they now owned the land, and the heavy taxes and price controls were just a temporary sacrifice to help everyone get rich!
We've seen how well that worked out.
On a trip to Beijing two years ago, I met some of my wife's cousins from the countryside. They were engaged in making counterfeit bags, from what I gather. They were getting married, and it was pretty much an arranged marriage, having been decided since the kids were young that the marriage would be an excellent business alliance: one family made the bag parts, the other assembled them into the nearly-finished product. It was up to the kids to reject the marriage if they wanted to, but it seemed to me they were pretty excited about going through with it. They had come to Beijing to see the city and buy music and clothes and such.
We had a great talk, and they invited us to come to their home on our next trip to China. I really liked them, and in trying to be polite and warm, I invited them to come visit us in the United States someday, even if it took them 10 years or so. They looked uncomfortable and said, "That would be beyond our reach, even if we saved for our whole lives." We talked about financial realities and the difference between urban and rural economies a few minutes, and I pointed out that it was impossible to predict what the situation might be in 5 or 10 years, that if wealth ever reached the countryside, they might find the whole situation changing to their advantage. They looked skeptical and shook their head.
I still feel bad about that.
Because nearly 5 years later, despite Beijing's economy growing to the point that nearly everyone has cars now and prices for apartments/homes in the city now rival that of Seattle, the world changes if you go 50 miles out of the city. Maybe China needs a Wal-Mart that will be cheap goods to the countryside?
The point is, the government still controls the prices on many things. China is in a difficult situation, with 1/5th the world's population, but only 1/10th of the world's arable land. Food is always an issue in China. They still great each other with "Have you eaten?" and some of the most important and elaborate points of etiquette revolve around offering and refusing food between guest and host.
With a true market system of supply and demand, the peasants could get rich. They could bleed off some of the wealth from urban areas and make it worthwhile for someone to stay in the country. Perhaps the internet might help the rural poor sidestep market controls to sell their product more directly? Perhaps what little wealth they have as a group could use the internet to attract products to create a market in reaching out to the rural poor?
I'm serious about rural China needing a Wal-Mart. Is the US the economic juggernaut it is today because we had the Sears, Roebuck and Co. mail-order catalog? Because Wal-Mart was its successor in spirit? You can only have true wealth if your most isolated can use a collective buying power to obtain cheap and reliable goods.
By bringing wealth* to the rural areas, is Wal-Mart the capitalist version of the most basic communist goal?
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You might be interested in my three part series "China: What the Future May Hold"
http://blog.simmins.org/2005/02/china-what-future-may-hold-1-of-3.html
posted by
Chuck Simmins on February 22, 2005 12:11 PM
I don't know if you meant to use wal-mart as a metephor or as an entity, but China already has wal mart stores, I've shopped there myself. Wal mart in China is considered to be an expensive luxury shop. It sells pretty much the same home products as the US stores do, only it sells them at the same prices. This means that wal goods cost top dollar in China and are way out of reach for most ruaral inhabitant.
Curiously enough, companies like Macdonalds and Wal mart, which are riduculed outside the US for being a provider of dead end jobs (Seriously, this is how Europeans etc see these companies and they can't understand how people in America think that a company that pays minimum wage and doesn't allow unionization can convince anybody that it is a good employer), but In China they are considered highly desireable employeers because their pay and conditions is so much better than most Chinese equivilants.
Unfortunately I don't think that there won't be a wal mart or even its Chinese equivelent for the Chinese poor. People in China just don't think like this. City dwellers largely look down on farmers and the only time that companies will lift a finger for the countryside is to exploit it.
Chinese farmers can't really use the internet to sell crops either. The business environment and acument that you see in the US simply doesn't exist in China, and farms are often too small to support more than a simple market stand or two. People also rarely trust ANYTHING that is sold on the internet because in the scramble for cash, there is a staggering amount of fraud, and little or no legal protection for people who are defrauded by companies.
The only hope for the countryside in China is the consolidation and mechanization of farms. Farms need to become large enough to supply more than the farmer and a market barrow, and they need to become mechanized enough for a sinlge family to be able to work a large area like they do in the US.
The only thing that things that have served to improve farmers lifes are the ability to grow cash crops, which uinfortunately may be reduced by governemnt initiatives to improve yields of grain crops, and the introduction of factories where unskilled laborers can earn some money, unfortunately the latter draws them off of their farms.
It will take 50 or more years before the lot of a peasent changes in any recognizable way.
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ACB on February 22, 2005 04:34 PM
ACB,
Thanks for such an excellent comment. Yes, it was a metaphor, sort of...the point was that traditional forms of distribution still favor the city dweller, but Sears and Roebuck revolutionized the purchasing power of the rural folk. Wal-Mart pretty much did the same thing in modern times, by bringing the power of a shopping mall to small towns under one roof.
Obviously, Wal-Mart (and some of its Chinese competitors....for some reason, the name BaiKeLou is sticking in my head, but I could be way off) aren't going to provide that help, because none of them create any purchasing power for the relatively diffuse countryside population.
The rest of your comment pretty much restated and expanded on exactly what I feel is the problem. What's nice is you obviously have much more direct experience, and are able to express and explain exactly what I sensed to be the case.
I didn't know that about the internet not being trusted, but it makes perfect sense. If someone could come up with a security set-up that could earn the people's trust, maybe that would do it.
The point is, the first person/company who figures out a way to tap into the collective purchasing power of the people outside cities is going to get extremely rich.
Mechanization of agriculture and establishment of factories is absolutely the next vital step. When Americans complain about sweatshops where people earn only $1/day overseas, I usually try to point out that that's usually $.95 more than they were making per day before the factory, and they can feed, clothe, and house a family on that $1/day.
Thanks again for your input!
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The New York Times is on the case. (no registration required if you get it through Drudge like I did...)
[S]ome research scientists said the appearance of a possible drug-resistant and virulent strain of the virus in one 46-year-old man meant little. The man's immune system might have been compromised by the crystal methamphetamine he had taken, they said...
It is highly interesting that prominent, mainstream scientists can admit that the man's immune system might have been compromised by the crystal meth to hasten AIDS, but when the man who proved retro-viruses exist says that AIDS is itself merely caused by drug use, that's an unacceptable answer.
Longstanding rivalries among top AIDS researchers resurfaced, and one of the researchers who discovered the possible strain was accused of using a test developed by a company to which he had close ties.
Also very interesting, no? It is still acceptable to point out a possible conflict of interest for the person who provided the test that identified this possible new strain...but it is not acceptable to the AIDS industry to point out the same situation applies to the HIV testing kits that helped propel the idea that HIV causes AIDS in the first place...
There is much to consider in all this, if you have the wit...and the courage.
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A bank is a place where they lend you an umbrella in fair weather and ask for it back when it begins to rain. -- Robert Frost
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I hope you are paying attention to the violence going on in Iraq during the holy celebration of Ashura.
One year and a few weeks ago, we had captured Saddam Hussein, progress was being made on the interim constitution, and it was looking like we had turned a corner. It turns out it was just the calm before the storm.
A few weeks ago, we'd cleaned up Fallujah and Samarra, attacks are way down in Kirkuk and Balad and Mosul, the people had participated in an historic election. Maybe a turning point had been reached....and then the insurgents attack religious pilgrims.
This is holiday is prominent only to the Shia. In fact, it celebrates the martyrdom of a Shia leader who came to prominence in the controversy of succession that defines Shia vs Sunni sects. And so attacks on the pilgrims are almost certainly to be Sunnis. The Baathists who held power under Saddam are nominally Sunnis, as are most al-Qaida members.
Three weeks after the election, if the best target the insurgents can find is pilgrims, this says something about the state of the insurgency.
Last year, it took all the influence of the top Shia leader, al-Sistani, to prevent the Shias from rising up in retaliation. However, perusing the news this year, a civil war between the sects seems to be less likely than last year*. It seems like perhaps the opportunity for democracy and self-rule is more powerful than the chance for retribution.
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*Perhaps a subscription is required...I was able to access it through Google News. Anyway, here's the relevant portion:
The country's interim government and Shi'ite political parties said they would not allow the country to slip into civil war just days before the religious group's political parties take control of Iraq for the first time in modern history.
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"The bombings on Shi'ite mosques and shrines on Ashura by terrorists that call themselves Muslims are in fact actions by terrorists only attempting to spill even more Muslim blood by encouraging sectarian violence," Mouwaffaq al-Rubaie, the national security adviser for the interim government, told The Associated Press.
He said the suicide bombings were attempts "to create a religious war within Iraq. Iraqis will not allow this to happen, Iraqis will stand united as Iraqis foremost, and Iraq will not fall into sectarian war."
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Give a man a fish and he'll ask for a lemon. Teach a man to fish
and he'll leave work early on Friday. -- Unknown
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Lord have mercy on my soul, I'm laughing uncontrollably at this right now.
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I daresay that living in Nebraska would give one pause to ponder existential angst, even if one were not a ninety-year-old mailman.
Hey, Nathan, I was at a high school band contest today and saw a guy who I would have sworn was you if I didn't know you were out west. You sure you weren't in Perry, Iowa today?
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Kris on February 19, 2005 07:20 PM
Nope it wasn't me.
I'm concerned, though...I'm not sure the world can handle two such devilishly handsome rascals!
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This weekend is the 60 year anniversary of the Battle for Iwo Jima. James Bradley’s book Flags Of Our Fathers documents the Order to put up the flag this way:
“Colonel Johnson wants this big flag run up high,” he told the lieutenant, “so every son of a bitch on this whole cruddy island can see it!”
The Six men captured in the famous photo are:
John Bradley: Appleton Wisconsin
Franklin Sousley: Hilltop, Kentucky
Harlon Block: Rio Grande Valley, Texas
Ira Hayes: Gila River Indian Reservation, Arizona
Rene Gagnon: Manchester, New Hampshire
Mike Strank: Franklin Borough, Pennsylvania
Some thoughts:
-Three of these 6 men died before the battle for Iwo Jima was finished.
-James Bradley never spoke to his family of the photograph or about the war.
-All told, about six thousand Marines and a few from other services died in the battle for this tiny island.
-Approximately 22,000 Japanese defenders were killed.
The 1,100 of our comrades that have died fighting in OEF/OIF pales in comparison.
Iwo Jima was invaded to secure a possible landing site for disabled B-29’s and their fighter escorts taking the fight to the Japanese mainland. It was the stepping stone to the even larger battle for Okinawa that was to follow.
OEF/OIF is being fought to free 2 countries and make terrorists aware that we are not afraid.
...I hope this gives us all a little perspective on our current efforts.
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Yet more solid evidence of that fact.
When guns are outlawed, only the outlaws have guns.
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Kris brings up an interesting issue on the "I Hate Caillou" post below entitled "Hidden Messages?"
She points out that several TV shows are (or have been) banned from her house.
I've never banned a TV show yet (and I've never banned a commenter, either...).
I suppose I should, because Jay Jay, Caillou, DragonTales, and Clifford are about the most crappy, horrible, boring, lifeless, sappy, saccharine children's shows possible... I do like Jakers, Thomas the Tank Engine, Arthur (pretty good, for the most part; entertaining stories that aren't typical "liberal education ideal" garbage), and Cyberchase (all on PBS).
I guess I could be more concerned about the liberal education ideal content of the ones I don't like, but the way I see it, I was a TV addict growing up myself. The first thing I'd do when I got home after school was watch whatever was on TV until dinner, and I remember lots of nights doing nothing but watch TV after dinner, too.
But when Junior High came around, I started getting very involved in music, sports, and drama, and I often was at home only to sleep. About the same time, my friends and I got into roleplaying and simulation strategy wargaming. TV kind of dropped off my plate, and I rarely watch it anymore, except for football.
And I don't really see my children being affected by that stuff, either. It may be a TV show, but what seems to have the greatest effect on their developing minds is the interaction I have with them, the way I help them resolve disputes, and the system of rewards and punishments I have established to help them internalize the lessons I want them to learn.
Am I being myopic?
Thoughts?
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This doesn't look good folks:
China has accused the United States of sending a false signal to Taiwan by disclosing a CIA assessment indicating the military balance between the rivals is shifting in Beijing's favor.
Nothing soon, of course, but after the Olympics...?
Maybe I should clarify, particularly in light of the negative tone I take in this post:
I don't approve of nor trust the Mainland Chinese government. On the other hand, I think much of the tension between China and Taiwan is due to Chen Shuibian putting his own political expediency ahead of the needs of the people of Taiwan.
I criticize Taiwan for its past, but it is actually doing a pretty good job of being a democracy since 1996. I also think the best way to defuse some rising tensions with Mainland China is to give them the same benefit of the doubt we give other nations. Beating someone up about a past mistake they've taken pains to correct does no one any good.
I'm also very split on the Taiwan issue. There is a great deal of hypocrisy on both sides. Mainland China doesn't collect taxes or make any decisions regarding Taiwan's laws or welfare, so it is ridiculous to claim it is a "renegade province" or "part of China". On the other hand, Taiwan wants all the benefits of having close ties to China without acknowledging the connection. You know the rules about "No direct flights"? That's due to "free" Taiwan, rather than the "evil Communists". Taiwan is getting rich off of investing in China, and cheap labor. They still have billions of dollars of wealth that was plundered from China when they fled...if they are not part of China, shouldn't they return what they stole? If they are part of China, wouldn't they want it where it belongs? Taiwan wants the US to risk its military members to protect it as it provokes China into a military confrontation, which doesn't win any points with me, either.
Bottom line for me is, Taiwan and Mainland China have a closer connection and more in common than just about anyone but maybe the US and Canada, and in some ways, more connection (common history, values, etc). There is no reason they could not be peacefully reunited to the benefit of both, except that the current leadership of Taiwan will not consider it.
Then again, there are good strategic reasons to have an independent nation sitting 60 miles off one of the most populated portion of China's coast.
It's a little complicated to look at it as a whole, and while I think I have the experience to point out the complexity and a few aspects of the problem, I don't pretend to have the knowledge or experience to unravel this Gordian knot. I fear the results if it is cut, however.
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Have I mentioned that I hate "Caillou"? I'm not the only one.
Today the Message O' the Day from the episode "The Mighty Oak" is that "Trees sometimes get sick. If they do, you have to cut them down. But don't worry, it is like cutting a toenail. It doesn't hurt, and it is no big deal." Then they go buy a new tree, and there are multiple comparisons between the new tree and a baby.
I can't help but feel like there is a foundation being laid to support the liberal view of euthenasia, at the very least (if not abortion). Sure, I'm probably paranoid...
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I can't stand Caillou either.
1)What is up with the name?
2)He's a total whiner.
3)He just gets on my nerves.
4)Where's the hair?
5)Just spank him and get it over with.
Need anymore reasons? I refuse to be induced to guilt for disliking a cartoon character.
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Rae on February 18, 2005 08:44 AM
Maybe it's a pro-logging message. ;)
posted by
Craig on February 18, 2005 11:57 AM
I have always ALWAYS hated Caillou. Whiny little snot that needs a good spanking and a set of parents who ARE parents. The times that we have watched it, we've actually discussed why Caillou should've been punished for certain behaviors. My kids know the difference. It's the same thing with D.W., Arthur's sister; she's a whiny little brat that everyone just allows to be that way. For a while, Arthur wasn't allowed in our house because my oldest daughter thought D.W. was the coolest and had begun acting just like her.
Cartoon characters may be fictional, but to my kids, they're quite real and have significant influence. Things we don't allow: Dragon Tales (because I despise the syrupy crap and that one two-headed dragon's screamy way of talking), SpongeBob (it's just not appropriate), most of the anime shows (because their worldview is just wrong), and most of the Cartoon Network fare... except for PowerPuff Girls and Dexter's Laboratory, which are truly wonderful.
posted by
Kris on February 18, 2005 02:16 PM
Ha, I had to go Google the name to even figure out whattheheck...
Seems like it's a series created in...argh...FRANCE! Maybe that explains the offense, dunno. On the other hand, it IS on PBS, so...
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-S- on February 18, 2005 07:09 PM
My daughter loves the show. I like it because I have a whole series of jokes behind it and I can imitate the old lady narrator's voice perfectly.
Ever notice no matter where Caillou goes, he gets treated extra special? If he's on an airplane, he gets to see the cockpit, if he's at the zoo he gets to feed tha animals, etc? I always use my old lady voice to narrate special events for Caillou
"Caillou had never performed brain surgery before..."
I'm sure it's better in person.
Anyway, one thing to understand about children's programming is that all concepts must be broken down into their most simplistic terms. Because most agendas (on both the left and right) tend to be simplistic, it's easy to confuse children's shows for some sort of hidden message. I doubt it's the case.
Yes, I agree a good fanny whack would help Caillou understand why he can't play with the knives, but corporal punishment isn't exactly something any kiddy show wants to get involved with.
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Sharp as a Marble on February 19, 2005 05:39 AM
Good point, SaaM. I wish I could think of a snide comment to add to that, but you'll just have be satisfied with a simulation: [insert snide, insulting response here.]
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Oof, I'm a nanny and I HATE Caillou! I have banned it several times now, but the parents I work for keep letting him watch it again, even though they know it's a bad influence. Seriously, this kid already has enough behavioral issues... if i have to hear "I don't WANT to!" or "No, it's too HARD!" one more time I think I may smash the TV... that and Thomas the Tank Engine... he's obsessed with it... all those trains are SO disrespectful of each other! The other day, little Stephen looked me square in the face when he was mad and yelled "You don't work hard enough! Rubbish!" Took me about five minutes to locate the exact Thomas video with that phrase and chuck it... well, I hid it in the garage... and wouldn't you know, his Daddy found it a week later and stuck it right back in the VCR... I'm quitting soon, and if I were a lesser person I'd take all the videos with me and melt them down...
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Alicia on March 16, 2005 03:44 PM
I'm filling my mind with a picture of beating Caillou’s huge, misshapen head to pulp! Thoughts so primitive they black out everything else. I'm filling my mind with hate for Caillou.
Is your blood red like ours Caillou? I'm going to find out. All I want to do is get my hands on you. Can you read these thoughts Caillou - images of hate, killing?
You'll find my thoughts more interesting, thoughts so primitive you can't understand.
Emotions so - ugh!
No. Don't help me. I have to concentrate. Caillou can't read through hate.
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Christopher Pike on May 28, 2005 06:47 PM
Don't hurt Caillou - he doesn't mean to be evil.
posted by
Veena on May 28, 2005 07:10 PM
You ppl are all sick and disturbed nutcases you are a bunch of adults(and I use that term loosley) tearing apart a childrens cartoon character.As for Caillou being a bad influence my 6 year old learned plenty of manners and sharing skills from all the P.B.S shows and my 23 month old is doing the same.
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The Kaohsiung Incident.
Only 10 years before the Tian'anmen Square Incident in Mainland China, Taiwan had finally allowed the people the some ability to express discontent publicly. A riot occurred, and the Kuomintang govt (exiled from the mainland) arrested several leaders and tortured them for several months.
Keep in mind, these were people denied any place in the political process until 1996, and under martial law until 1987. And let us not forget that thousands ("10s of thousands" is probably an exaggeration...) who were killed by Kuomintang troops on 28 February 1947.
Oh, yeah: you probably can't 'not forget' was was never told to you, never really discussed in the US. But we hear about the Tian'anmen Square incident, don't we? That's because Realpolitic dictates that we support evil, despotic regimes when they oppose evil, despotic Communist regimes.
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Nathan, I had no idea. I had this mental image of Taiwan as a frightened little democracy huddled under the shadow of Communism, struggling to maintain its perfect little utopia. It's helpful to have the truth in these matters.
I'd like to hear more about Taiwan, especially as it relates to mainland China. I have a close friend who grew up there as the daughter of missionaries.
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It is increasingly clear to me that male and female homosexuality should be treated as entirely separate issues. In other words, it is not that you are straight or homosexual as much as you are male or female, and then straight or homosexual.
I think if science can disentangle itself from sociology (political correctness?) and delve for answers without having to tweak the results to conform with some ideological viewpoint, we will find that the causes and consequences for female homosexuality are entirely different than that of male homosexuality.
I realize that's not a news flash for some of you...but our society seems to want to treat male and female homosexuality as pretty much the same thing, as a united but opposite sexual expression from heterosexuality. And I am nearly convinced that's flat-out wrong and contributing to the overall confusion.
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Liberal society wants to refuse to recognize that inherent differences in gender exist regardless of "orientation." This isn't surprising, really, but an excellent observation, Nate.
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Stolen from Tony.
What’s your favorite kind of cookie? Tennessee Cookies (also known as No-Bake cookies, Mississippi Mud cookies: lots of chocolate, lots of sugar, lots of oatmeal...)
Who is America’s most overrated actor? Nicholas Cage
Name a guilty pleasure. Jagged Alliance 2.
“Scrubs” or “Everybody Loves Raymond”? Never watched either one.
Name two things you can’t live without. Buffalo Wings and Iced Tea.
Your first pet’s name + your mother’s maiden name = your porn star name. —- Inky Green
What song are you listening to right now? Nothing, strangely. I used to always have music playing...
Name your celebrity crush. I can't think of one right now.
Favorite punchline from a joke. “What do you mean 'we', white man?”
Who do you want to pass this meme off to? Jeremy or Zombyboy or SaaM. I think any of them might be entertaining with it. Except that we already know Zombie is listening to Mark Lanegan.
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To be published in tomorrow's edition.
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Nathan- I would never have been able to complete this meme simply because I couldn't get past the first question: I love baking, and my favorite cookie depends on the mood I am in, or what I am serving for dinner :D
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Check out this gallery of "evidence" of global warming.
This guy absolutely doesn't allow for sunspot cycles, normal variations within a typical range, weather, or just about anything except that he's got 5 sets of pictures that show extremely minor differences only the non-imaginative would think has any significance whatsoever.
The argument is made more effectively here.
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OMG! I just realized we're all gonna die!!!!!
Everybody start chanting "Kyoto!! Kyoto!!" before the beetles eat all the trees!!!
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Sharp as a Marble on February 16, 2005 12:37 PM
Funny, this corresponding website: http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org
Has that now-notorious bad graph of global warming over time.
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Have you seen the temperature graph after all possible normal variations have been factored out?
I've got a copy of it right here:
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I'm linked at Salon!
I'm honored! Welcome, Salon Readers!
Please keep in mind, this is a soapbox, and a pulpit. I lay down smack, I speak in absolutes (usually), and may come across much differently through my monologues than I would if you met me in person and engaged me in a dialogue. I will admit when you make good points. I will get irritated if you defecate in my wheaties, so to speak. I am flexible, and my mind is usually not as entrenched in its track as some of these essays might seem.
But have fun, and enjoy your visit!
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He is also a lovely dancer, enjoys quiche, and long walks on beaches during sunsets.
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Sharp as a Marble on February 16, 2005 12:19 PM
Um, not "walks" as much as another five-letter word that ends in "ks"...
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sucks?
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Sharp as a Marble on February 16, 2005 12:38 PM
Not quite...
I was never that much into being mosquito fodder.
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Nathan?
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Yes?
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From today's Kausfiles:
Lackobama Blues: Kf, its finger on the pulse of the left as always, hears that the talk of progressives these days is incoming senator Barack Obama's vote in favor of the bill limiting class action lawsuits. The worry is that by siding with President Bush on the issue, Obama has signalled his intent to pursue a Hillaryesque centrist strategy instead of providing the left with the the full-throated anti-Bush champion it craves. ... Fingers are pointed at Pete Rouse, the veteran Daschle aide Obama has chosen as his chief of staff. ... But don't you think this is something Obama would make up his own mind about?
Obama has been called brilliant, charismatic, insightful, a young, exciting candidate with lots of potential to attract followers, and many other glowing descriptions...
Yo, Dems: if he is a brilliant and wonderful as you say, why do you automatically assume he must want to drag the party leftward, or automatically oppose anything President Bush does?
President Bush's policies attract nearly 50% of the population in nearly every case, and that resulted in an outright majority of voters. Get that? President Bush might actually be correct in what he proposes. And unless you are going to unleash the bigotry of soft expectations on Obama, it might be wise to realize that Obama is smart enough to realize when President Bush is correct, particularly when you seem unable to do the same thing.
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Thanks for the advice. I will make sure everyone gets the message.
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jri on February 16, 2005 09:25 AM
LOL! That was the best comment ever.
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Nathan on February 16, 2005 09:29 AM
The Bushies have gotten 50% of the people to believe what he says on TV...but, so far he doesn't have a very good track record for being correct.
posted by
interested on February 16, 2005 09:42 AM
That depends on what you mean.
A Clinton appointee was wrong about WMD. President Bush was wrong to trust him.
But he was right that we should topple Saddam. Look at the progress toward peace in Israel since that occurred. Look at the changes in Libya, Syria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia.
He was right to invade Afghanistan, look at the success there!
Some things cannot be shown to be "correct" or "incorrect" until years after the fact. Many of the platforms receive the support of over 50% of the nation. Others receive nearly 50%, and the overlap handed President Bush a clear majority of the voters.
Your comment smacks of sour grapes, it seems to me.
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Nathan on February 16, 2005 09:47 AM
Yo Nathan,
By directing your post to "Yo Dems" and using phrases like "why do you" it would seem that you believe that all democrats are connected telepathically to one another and therefore speak with one grand borg voice. In my small attempt at making honest rational debate again possible in America I would ask that you speak directly to those who create the offense that you have decided to take offense with. In my view politics is not a team sport - where the other team is all bad simply because they are not on my team. Politics is, and should be, a rational debate of opposing ideas argued between those who expose them. I do not judge all republicans by the words of some republicans - try and give democrats the same courtesy.
http://rationaldebate.blogspot.com/
posted by
Jim on February 16, 2005 10:08 AM
what Clinton apointee was wrong on WMD?
Topple Saddam- good idea, wrong justification.
Libya, Syria, Yemen and SA--, come on! Do you read anything besides Fox?
Afghanistan, outside of Kabul, is now run by war-lords producing heroin...oh, and Osama is still laying out getting a tan.
The Iraq folly was supported because a) we were told by Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rice and Powell that Iraq was an IMMINENT THREAT to the US (a lie)
and b) that it would be a cake-walk, and we would be greeted as liberators (a lie, and wrong).
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interested on February 16, 2005 10:36 AM
Jim,
Good point, but I was kind of vamping off of a Mickey Kaus observation, rather than something posted at a liberal or Democrat site. It's not like I can say, "Hey, Richard J. Montalbahn of MooseEar, Pennsylvania, stop assuming that Obama should move things leftward!"
This is one of those things that, if you assume President Bush is wrong about everything and it is a betrayal of Democrat principles for Obama to vote for lawsuit reform, then you should consider that maybe Obama is correct.
If you aren't one of those people, you can disregard.
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Nathan on February 16, 2005 10:46 AM
Interested (sorry for the delayed reply, was having network problems),
Bush, Powell, Rumsfeld and Rice are not Intelligence gatherers nor analysts. They depend on the Intelligence organizations to give them good info. Regarding WMD, George Tenet (a Bill Clinton appointee, fwiw) told President Bush that it was a "Slam Dunk" that Saddam had WMD.
However, there were multiple reasons why we invaded. The most important reason was repeated several times (so I don't know how you can get it so badly wrong): Saddam was not cooperating with inspections, and we could no longer afford to not know whether he had WMD or not...we had to act before the threat became imminent. That's a direct quote from President Bush, you can look it up (who's wrong/lying now, hmm? [grin]).
President Bush was clearly right to invade Afghanistan.
I gotta say, though, that I don't remember President Bush or <>i>any senior cabinet officials saying they thought the invasion of Iraq would be a cakewalk. Interestingly, however, it was a cakewalk by any reasonable military standards. And the people did welcome us as liberators...they just didn't want us to stay for long after that. And we were prescient in staying, because the attacks started about 2 months later. When the attacks did begin, it was the former Saddam loyalists who had no chance for power or safety without him, and it was individuals connected to al-Qaida that felt they could hurt the US more easily in Iraq than in Afghanistan or elsewhere.
You can look this all up. It would be nice if you did, so you could stop distorting and rewriting history.
And you think Yemen isn't doing anything differently after the invasion of Yemen? You think Lebanon isn't starting to be fed up with Syria? You don't think Saddam's being deposed contributed greatly to the significant progress toward peace in Israel? You think Libya's admission of WMD had nothing to do with Iraq?
Because I don't watch or read Fox News. It's my least favorite of online sources, and I don't watch TV. You are batting like 0-for-10 today! [grin]
posted by
Nathan on February 16, 2005 12:27 PM
You GOPers really are trying hard to convince Democrats that to win elections they need to be more like Bush and his followers.
I pray to God that Democrats are not stupid enough to believe it, though some -- like Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, Peter Beinart, The New Republic -- seem to be.
You guys may be evil, but you are pretty clever, I'll give you that.
posted by
dadahead on February 16, 2005 06:36 PM
Not at all, man!
What we are trying to convince you is that there is a reason you have been losing elections, so you should go back and reconsider your premises.
If all you care about is winning elections, then: Sure! Try to pretend you hold conservative values. But you've had a few generations to enact your agenda, and it seems like more and more people are tired of it.
You can do what you want, think what you want, say what you want...but when you start letting paranoia dictate your reasoning (like with the "evil" GOP belief), you should get ready for your political power to continue to dissipate.
posted by
Nathan on February 16, 2005 06:41 PM
Nathan,
there are many reasons we invaded Irage...correct. But none of the REAL reasons are what we were told during the runup to war. Oh, it was Richard Perle who said, and wrote that Iraq would be a cakewalk.
But you deviate from the original post when you imply that the words of Bush, Cheney, Powell, et al. are not valid because they "are not Intelligence gatherers nor analysts". They are the faces that the voters see, and falsely believe. THAT was my point.
"Saddam was not cooperating with inspections, and we could no longer afford to not know whether he had WMD or not...we had to act before the threat became imminent. That's a direct quote from President Bush, you can look it up (who's wrong/lying now, hmm? [grin])."
That was his second line of defense aginst the press, after it became apparent that there were no WMD. His opening statements were more to the tune of "he has nukular and biologic weapons" [grin]. Colin Powell showed these weapons to the UN...all lies. You say faulty intelligence...yet ex intelligence officers, weapons experts, and inspectors, including David Kay, all say (on camera) that it's all lies...(Uncovered: The War on Iraq, by Robert Greenwald). You should watch it...it's 1.5 ours of interviews with Chas Freeman, Scott Ritter, David Albright, Graham Fuller, The Rt Honorable Clare Short, Robert Baer, Mel Goodman, Stansfield Turner, Milt Bearden, Larry C. Johnson, The Honorable Henry Waxman, Rand Beers, Dr. David Kay, Thomas E. White, Bill Christison, John Brady Kiesling, Joseph C. Wilson, David Corn, Karen Kwiatkowski, Colonel Mary Ann Wright, Philip Coyle, Patrick Lang and Peter Zimmerman. And plent of footage of BushCo LLP lying their butts off.
posted by
interested on February 17, 2005 07:23 AM
Richard Perle...which cabinet does he head up? He doesn't? Hmmm: wrong or lying again.
And once you get to denying what was actually said and written about the reason for invading to insist on a so-called "REAL" reason, you have entered conspiracy-theory levels that effectively ends the usefulness of debate.
The bottom line on WMD: Saddam's scientists were lying to him about what he had, and he exaggerated what he thought he had. He also retained the capability to produce tons of chemical weapons at the push of a button, and refused to give up that capability or even cooperate with our dismantling. Read Resolution 1441 again.
And as for President Bush, et al, not being intelligence gatherers/analysts is simply this: If you pay me to provide you with information, you should trust me to give you accurate information. If you make a decision based on that information and it turns out to be wrong, whose fault is that? Obviously: mine. President Bush didn't lie, he believed his Director of the CIA when Tenet said Saddam having WMD was a "Slam Dunk".
Putting it bluntly: there is more proof of you deliberately lying than President Bush.
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Nathan on February 17, 2005 08:31 AM
Richard Perle was the chairman of the Defense Policy Board, not Cabinet...but very influential.
Watch Scott Ritter and David Kay talk repeatedly about how they told the CIA and DOD about the non-existence of weapons...and were not listened to.
Whether shipped to Syria or destroyed, the WMD were gone long before we invaded. Saddam is nuts, but he's no fool. The last thing he wanted is what has happened. Now I think it's a very good thing he's in prison...but that doesn't change the fact that this administration lied to the congress and the American people to justify "regime-change".
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interested on February 17, 2005 09:11 AM
You don't get it, obviously.
WMD was not the only reason. Perhaps the only reason you might have cared, but that makes little difference.
Saddam was not cooperating with with inspections. Anything Scott Ritter said was more of a guess that turned out to be right than anything else. Anything Kay has to say is only because our invasion allowed him the opportunity for unobstructed inspections. You are using circular logic to claim that Bush lied to get an invasion mainly because of information we could not ever have confirmed without the invasion...
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Nathan on February 17, 2005 09:28 AM
No, you are FINALLY starting to get it. As you say, WMD was not the only reason...
...BUT it was the ONLY reason given at the time congress gave the President the authority to do so.
Scott Ritter was the man-on-the-ground...the point man in Iraq. His opinion should have outweiged everyone elses...but, well we know what happened.
Really, you should watch the interviews.
Glad to see you coming around.
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interested on February 17, 2005 09:33 AM
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Well, I don't think I'm coming around to your view, but if you see it that way, that's fine.
Scott Ritter really didn't have enough access to give a definitive judgment. And he took money from Saddam later, did he not? That makes his motives questionable.
It's almost like giving weight to anything Sean Penn said about Saddam's intentions and capabilities...
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Nathan on February 17, 2005 09:40 AM
ASMAN: That's why people, when they see you in Iraq with these Iraqi government officials, they wonder what the heck is going on.
RITTER: I went to Iraq on my own initiative. I made the decision to approach and say I think it is time for me to deliver a message to the Iraqi government that if they don't allow ...
ASMAN: Paid for out of your own pocket?
RITTER: Hell, yes. Or by an anti-sanctions group in the case of South Africa, they didn't spend a single damn penny. I wouldn't accept their money, it is against the law.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,62916,00.html
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interested on February 17, 2005 09:56 AM
"Saddam was not cooperating with inspections"
My favorite part of this quote is that weapons inspectors were on the ground in Iraq while he was saying this.
posted by
Losing Faith on February 17, 2005 11:37 AM
I'm amused that you think merely being in a country provides omniscience of what is going on out of line-of-sight.
Think how much I could hide in just one building if I set the schedule for your tour through it. Now consider that for the size of California...
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Nathan on February 17, 2005 11:51 AM
float like a butterfly...
...sting, whoops! no stinger left.
you've run out of corners Nathan.
posted by
interested on February 17, 2005 12:07 PM
Shoot, I own the ring.
posted by
Nathan on February 17, 2005 12:20 PM
...because if you think that ignoring what was actually said and written to insist you know what President Bush actually meant (and then to blame him for what you ascribe to him) is winning an argument, then you actually haven't even landed a punch.
And Scott Ritter? Did you know he writes for Al Jazeera now? He's publishing slander as fact. Your assertions are looking weaker by the hour when you cite someone who could write garbage like that Al Jazeera article. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas, you know?
posted by
Nathan on February 17, 2005 04:14 PM
Scott Ritter was the man-on-the-ground...the point man in Iraq. His opinion should have outweiged everyone elses...
Nice try there, Scott. Picked up any underage girls at Burger King lately?
posted by
McGehee on February 17, 2005 04:27 PM
"And Scott Ritter? Did you know he Al Jazeera"
And how long has "he Al Jazeera" been? Is that suppose to make him a traitor? Are all news agencies, except America's, BS? He's been saying the same thing for years. He's been a weapon's inspector for over 10 years. I think he'd have a MUCH better idea of what's going on there than you!
"Now consider that for the size of California..."
I'm so sick of this parrotted talking point. If it's sooooo hard, why were we able to provide alleged photos of weapons factories before we invaded? You don't think that with our supposed technological military superiority over the majority of the world that we can effectively search Iraq? Did they bury all the weapon's factories? It's ridiculous the lengths some people go to to try and paint a perfectly rosey picture of Iraq. The weapon's inspectors never said they weren't being cooperated with, where'd Bush get that idea? Where'd you get that idea? From the Bush quote? From that you KNOW that what he meant was they were there, but not being given access to places? Did you see the only questionable material they could find being destroyed before we invaded? Have you read the reports or even excerpts from the weapon's inspectors? The quote was just another lie from this admin before the invasion. Even if they believed the false cherry picked intelligence, they still lied when making the further proclamations about knowing exactly where these plants were, having photos of factories, and all the other "imbelishments". The "faulty intel" didn't tell them anything about that stuff, so they lied about those things. One way or the other, but more than likely both.
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Losing Faith on February 18, 2005 06:48 AM
Oh, yes: catch me in an inadvertant omission of a word. That certainly proves your point beyond a doubt.
And you are tired of that talking point because it makes sense.
Remember the pictures? Lots of 'em had transport trucks outside. That's how we identified the sites in many cases.
...transport to where? Anything transported out can be transported back.
There are at least five possible ways that George Tenet was absolutely correct in what he told his superiors yet we would be unable to find any evidence of WMD. Please do not forget that of the people you cite, Mr. Kay had the most time and unfettered access, and while he was unable to find WMD and even said it was unlikely WMD existed in any quantities, he also said Saddam had a WMD development program and could produce mass quantities of WMD quickly and easily through some turn-key facilities. Including the mobile lab trucks that idiots claim were used to inflate weather balloons (I guess some people are unable to understand the concept of purchasing dual-use specifically to attempt plausible deniability).
But that's all just a distraction. You keep avoiding the point, which is was the UN signed off on the resolution that if Saddam Hussein did not immediately cooperate and prove what happened to the WMD we knew he already had from the first Gulf War, we would enter his country and remove him from power to facilitate being able to force compliance.
Guess what? We did that. There is no WMD threat from Iraq. There is no sponsoring of terrorism from Iraq anymore. There is no Oil-For-Food scandal that allows European bureaucrats and Clinton pardonees to get rich while Saddam uses the money to build up his conventional weapons while allowing children to starve to suit his international propaganda. There are no children's prisons. There is no more Rape-as-Punishment. No more Secret Police. No more Kurds are being murdered with poison gas so Saddam can test out his Chem Warfare techniques. Saddam's sons no longer torture athletes for poor performances.
And you must wish it was still going on, because you still want to argue without end to blame President Bush for believing George Tenet about the WMD. That's despicable. President George Bush was right about toppling Saddam for all the multiple reasons.
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Interesting article.
One thing that strikes me as that even when these women talk about trying to be the best mommy for the kids, I get the feeling that it is really more about being the best mommy so they can say they are the best mommy. It's less about paying attention to the kids and giving them what they actually need, and more about treating their kids as faceless drones who will be happy, successful Stepford Kids if the these women only follow the right magical formula and go through the motions. There is less heart in their actions and more ego. Motherhood by Superstition.
And then they complain about how no one appreciates their sacrifice.
Again, you don't do it for the appreciation. If it's not all about the kids, it's not right. Even the first lady quoted: "Three hours of intense parenting in the morning before work, three hours of intense parenting after work" is ridiculous. Yes, children need to be loved, played with, and engaged fully...but it also an important part of their development to see their parents interacting with love, to see them be whole persons with hobbies and interests and activities of their own.
It seems like none of these mothers quoted really understood about how to develop a whole person who could be fully independent and secure. They focused so much on mental development they lost some other things. A mommy being obsessed with playground politics? That's how kids learn to get along and resolve disputes! If the mommy gets involved, how will the child ever learn to deal with a bully? Because there are adult bullies in the workplace as surely as there are playground bullies...
And this supposedly explains why the lady cut her baby's arms off....
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Good Lord. What an exasperating woman.
You know, the thing that jumps out at me is that she seems to think that life ought to be a whole hell of a lot easier than it actually is. I've seen this same disillusionment around me so much (and felt it myself from time to time), this upset that feminism didn't deliver what it promised (or what they think it promised), this being crushed by the fact that there are only 24 hours in a day and you have to choose how to use them...and that not all of the choices are between ice cream and candy...sometimes they're between broccoli and brussels sprouts...
It makes me sad, this utter unwillingness to acknowledge that the fact that you have *choices* means that by definition you can't have it all...this author (and I think a whole lot of women) expects fixing society to fix her life, and when it doesn't work out that way she wants to embark on another round of "fixing" everything but her own ability to live in reality...not that we shouldn't find ways to balance our lives, but that it's unhealty to try to live in the world we *wish* we live in...
No, I haven't been thinking about any of this as I adjust to motherhood. Not at all.
posted by
Deb on February 16, 2005 08:08 AM
Another thing that struck me in retrospect is how they think they are staving off failure and disaster through mental stimulation alone.
Are they doing devotions with their children? Taking them to church and Sunday School? Praying with them?
Good grades and intellectual development don't prevent someone from being an alcoholic. Being smart doesn't keep you from giving up on the world and living in the street. Having a large vocabulary and getting into the best schools doesn't mean you don't go bankrupt and lose everything.
The people who fail the biggest in life are the ones who think academic achievement is all you need. Dealing with stress and overcoming setbacks is more important than solving differential equations in your head. It's when someone expects to get everything they want that they despair and give up when they don't get it immediately.
These women are setting their kids up for failure.
And then their solution is to recreate society to help mothers more?
...this is getting silly...
posted by
Nathan on February 16, 2005 09:19 AM
Good point, Nathan, and one I was trying to make in my own post on the issue. We think we're doing our kids a favor by creating this bubble of success and achievement and information around them, when life really isn't like that. We're giving them an inaccurate preparation for reality, and it seems like we ourselves have an inaccurate perception of reality as it is.
It takes a change from within, a re-setting of goals to align with those that God has set out for us, rather than those we artificially adopt from our surroundings. It's too much to expect the godless MSM to ever really get that, I suppose.
posted by
Kris on February 16, 2005 09:30 AM
Kris,
Once I leave for work, I can't access blogspot or typepad blogs until I get back home, so I wasn't able to see what you actually said... :(
posted by
nathan on February 16, 2005 09:41 AM
Amen, Nathan! This happy-happy, let's not have competition so all our kids have high self-esteem crap makes me crazy. My little boy is intellectualy gifted. At 7 and in first grade, he's reading fourth-grade books and doing third-grade math. Great, right? Not so much, actually; the kid doesn't have to work for anything, and that worries the hell out of me.
The only way for kids to develop self-esteem (the *real* kind, not the kind that we now try to give them just for taking up space and breathing) is by hard work coupled with results. Because daily life is not presenting my son with much in the way of challenges, I enrolled him in karate: self-discipline and hard work rolled into one! And he loves it, but he's not very good at it, so it's a great way for him to build self-esteem as he works at it.
If we shield our children from challenges and hard work; if we insist on keeping them entertained at every moment; if we focus every ounce of our attention on them at all times, we're doing them a great disservice, and they'll be paying for it into adulthood.
posted by
Kathleen on February 16, 2005 05:46 PM
Your blog is the first one I've seen that seems to be where I'm at. Below is a cut and past from mine.
Response to Mommy Madness
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6959880/site/newsweek/?GT1=6190
I just read the article Mommy Madness by Judith Warner of Newsweek. She tries to paint a bleak picture of what happens when women choose motherhood over profession. Her portrait of American mothers who lose there identity is based on 150 interviews throughout the US. She appears to be confused about what motherhood is. She confuses individuality of not being a mother with responsibilities of being a mother.
She said she read somewhere and quotes statistics about how mothers are depressed and so forth. I read a statistic on depressed women who chose career over family and now regret it. The point is we make our bed and have to sleep in it. Many tried the career path and in the end did not like the outcome. Some did.
I have one more statistic that we are all familiar with. It was called the National Election of 04. The majority of this country chose an agenda that followed along the lines of Family Values. Yes the "F" word that some don't want to acknowledge. This value crossed all social, economical, religious, and racial lines.
She attempts to find blame for these depressed mothers. The lack of part time child day care and other lacking social programs such as tax breaks for companies. She suggests that we use "...home-grown American solutions.." Then she uses France as an example to model part time day care. Do we really want to go the way of France?
The writer fails to recognize that life gives us individual problems. We live in a country of the free. We choose our own paths and how to live it. As a country we saw the women's revolution in the 70's. More women bought the idea that they could be a professional worker and our children could be raised by someone else. The 70's was also the "Me" era. Remember the phrase, "I know this will hurt you but I have to think about me." It was the battle cry of Therapists and people willing to spend $50 an hour to buy that drivel. I got news for you, that social experiment didn't work.
The article has a woman sitting amongst a crowd of children in a sing along. The caption states that this women is well educated from Dartmouth and is stressful, lonely and tired. Please! What does having a higher education have to do with motherhood? Get off of your social snobbery! Should she have known better because she has a degree in something? Was it in motherhood?
Does somehow having a college education make someone above others? I find it difficult to equate a college education with real life experience of raising children. I went to a college and found that it was mostly Professors with little life experiences claiming to know the answers. I found the real world to be very different from College. It can be unforgiving and sometimes cruel. You get what you put or not put into it. Reality Check.....parenthood is a learning experience that cannot fully be taught in a classroom.
If you ask that women if she had a chance never to have the child you know what her answer would be. Quit trying to blame your desperation on others and the government. It is time we take on our own responsibilities for our decisions. Handouts is not the answer.
From my little corner of the country I see the following. I'm surrounded by working class blue collar women. The women who choose to have children will quit their jobs provided they can afford to be a stay at home mom. Why? Because they choose to. The ones that can't usually long to be at home with their children. Why? Because that is human nature.
It does not have to be forever. Once the children get into school you can go back to your profession if you choose. The rewards of being the foundation outweighs the personal achievements in any given profession.
My wife chose to be a stay at home mother. It's not because I wanted her to. It's because as a couple we decided it was time to set path towards parenthood. We made sacrifices to accomplish this. The obvious is the smaller income. Did we lose something? Sure, sometimes money is tight. Did we do the right thing? You bet. We know this every time our children make the right decisions based on the foundation we gave them by having a stay at home mother!
Our kids are not going to be raised by a Village as some would like us to believe. Our children will be raised by parents who were willing to make the changes and won't look back and cry about it. The outcome will be children who will grow up to be responsible citizens.
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It seems President Bush asked for an additional $81.9 billion, and Kerry voted for it, before...he... ...voted...
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President Bush's plans for the next step in the Global War on Terror may have been revealed when the US recalled its ambassador to Syria.
Sure, it could be nothing. Bluffs, moves, countermoves, posturing...these are the weapons of diplomacy. As of now, obviously diplomacy is still of use. But let's not forget what Clausewitz said about diplomacy as related to war...
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Oh, well. Movies aren't really worth a crap these days, anyway...
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Don't worry about it. Every time they plug one hole, some hacker finds 2 more.
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Sharp as a Marble on February 15, 2005 10:36 AM
Sure. But I can't resist an opportunity to take another dig at Hollywood...
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Since this is already in the legal system, it is unlikely to turn out to be a hoax.
We are hearing more about the murders (and attempts) to steal babies from other women's wombs. We are hearing more about mothers murdering their babies. Or starving them, or poisoning them, or abusing them.
Are things really getting worse? Or are we, as a society, just beginning to realize that mother's love is no more (or less) universal and automatic than father's love?
I think it's just the nature of an increased information flow. We can hear about things much more quickly and easily, and the more lurid the tale, the more it reaches prominence.
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People have used the word "occupation" to describe our presence in Iraq. I objected to it. President Bush himself used that term once. I didn't like it any better. I really couldn't think of a good alternative, to tell the truth.
Well, from a quote in today's Impromptus, I have it now:
It was, of course, the American "regency" in Iraq that protected these courageous people and made the elections possible. It took faith in the power and the discipline of the soldiers of the American-led coalition for Iraqis to brave their way to the polling stations in Basra and Mosul and Kirkuk. From Kirkuk, there came a "warrior note" from Col. Lloyd "Milo" Miles addressed to his 2nd Brigade Combat Team, on the eve of these elections. This commander told his soldiers of a meeting he held with local leaders. One of these leaders had heard a rumor that the U.S.-led forces would be confined to their bases on the day of the elections and that security would be provided by Iraqi military and police units. The man was distraught and demoralized. "I beg of you, you must help us, do not let us walk alone on that day." We know that the Iraqis did not walk alone on that signal day in their country's history.
Yes. We held power in that nation, but we held it in trust for a young (and still, as yet, not fully mature) government to form and take over. From here on out, I will refer to our presence in Iraq as a Regency.
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I truly believe Howard Dean may be suffering from a form of Tourette's Syndrome.
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Exhibit A: The whole "Yeargh!" thing. That doesn't usually happen to someone in control of their utterances.
Exhibit B: I can't get there to cut'n'paste the link, so you'll have to follow instructions. Go to Wuzzadem's page, and see where he linked someone's crossword puzzle about the DNC election. In the clues for the puzzle, he talks about Dean's eyebrows jumping up and down like fools. That kind of twitchiness sounds like there are some strange synapses firing at odd/inappropriate moments inside his skull.
Exhibit C: (related) I never noticed the eyebrow thing mentioned above, but I did notice that he moves rather strangely, like a strange, hyperactive Barney Rublle hyped on crystal methamphetimine, or something. Something's not right with him...burning rage? ...untreated Tourette's Syndrome? You be the judge.
Exhibit D: The humorous satires that could be done with the idea are endless. That alone is worth a cast aspersion, if you ask me.
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Why? Sources please.
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Sharp as a Marble on February 15, 2005 06:18 AM
Sources? You seem to have confused me with someone reputable and/or credible. This is all about innuendo designed to make you think. Or paranoid.
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Nathan on February 15, 2005 07:19 AM
Probably had a port-wine-enema gone bad.
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Actually, have you seen this?
Reality is stranger than fiction, sometimes.
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So let's say you are wondering what the Eason Jordon flap was all about. And on top of it, you have never even heard of Jeff Gannon*.
Here's a pretty good analogy to help you understand the whole issue, and the significance of the relevant players' actions. And it's pretty funny, to boot, so I've got whole that going for me, you know.
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Kris of Gradual Dazzle has a very interesting glimpse into racial issues up on her blog right now. Well worth your time to read. It provokes all sorts of cogitation...
As an aside, can I please interject here that I absolutely love that my children do not notice their playmates' skin color, or rather, they don't choose their playmates based on skin color. They notice, but only as shades of hue rather than as distinct groups, and they readily play with kids who are nice regardless of their appearance. It's how I have always wanted it to be.
Exactly right.
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Nice Blog. It'd Be A Shame If Anything Happened To It.
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This is interesting.
I do know a few women who have complications and pain associated with their menstrual cycle as a matter of course, so I think Zelda's reaction might be a little unsympathetic. However, her overall point is valid: this is a ridiculous rule.
One way or the other, this rule says something significant about equality in the workplace.
The actual number of women who require an extra 12 days of sick leave every year seems too low to justify this rule. If the number of women who need it comprise less than half the total female workforce (and I gotta assume it's probably less than 10%), then this will be abused constantly. Where's the equality in that?
On the other hand, if the actual number of women who truly need additional sick days to deal with chronic menstrual problems not treatable by doctors is more than 50%, then whither the notion of "Equal Pay for Equal Work"? If women can't be expected to work as much as men due to physical problems, many of the arguments for equal pay go out the window.
I used to think that if the work isn't physical, it made little difference whether the worker was man or woman. Now I'm not so sure.
Heck, this makes me rethink the feasibility of a female President of the United States of America...
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I'll have to share this one with my wife. I know that her "time of the month" can put her in some serious pain, but she don't believe in letting that keep her out of work. Or our girls out of school, for that matter.
Her attitude is "You're a woman. Women deal with this every month. So quit whining and deal with it".
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diamond dave on February 14, 2005 02:34 PM
I'm with Zelda on this one. And Diamond Dave's wife, for that matter. It's part of being a chick, and you deal with it. If it's debilitating, then you deal with it in the same way you'd deal with any other thing that's wrong with your body -- you get medical attention. I don't have a lot of sympathy for anyone who perpetually complains about something, whether it's this topic or some other one. Either deal with it, or don't, but don't whine. Being a girl doesn't entitle me to special consideration... I think that the notion of extra sick days is ridiculous. If I can't handle the job, I shouldn't take it. Period.
Sorry, couldn't resist that one.
posted by
Kris on February 14, 2005 02:52 PM
Remember in Spiderman2 when Peter Parker lost his powers for a while? I think that's what must have happened to my punning ability. I can't believe I missed the opportunity to use that.
Ah, well, the only reason I'm not totally down with Zelda on this is that from the women I've known, those little visits from the friend are not consistent from month to month, and can vary wildly throughout a lifetime. Someone can have extreme reactions to things like starting or stopping birth control pills, IUDs, other medications.
But I agree that if you can't resolve unexpectedly difficult periods within a year, you should probably not try to the job.
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Nathan on February 14, 2005 03:11 PM
I'm glad you found my post interesting Nathan. Thanks for the link. I generally agree with your take on it as well. When I was younger (I'm 40 now), I used to throw up from monthly discomfort if I didn't take a painkiller. But I would be fine once I took something. Yet it never in a million years would have ocurred to me to tell an employer of my menstrual discomfort.
Also, please don't think I'm some kind of monster, but in terms of chronic menstrual problems, someone commented anonymously on my blog about "dysfunctional uterine bleeding." So I looked it up. And as I see it, there are options. They may not be complete cures, but at least, they're a step up from being immobolized by pain each month.
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Zelda on February 14, 2005 03:32 PM
I certainly didn't think bad of you, Zelda. To explain, the first two people I sent the link to pointed out that they've had some pretty bad stuff at times...and my wife had 3 pretty bad ones in row after getting an IUD in. I remember my sister (who is blessed with only minor lower back aches during her Days) be fairly unsympathetic to the females who have 10 day flows, back-aches, and migraines involved.
So I wanted to hedge things a little bit: essentially agree with your point (which I did), but leave me some wiggle room if the PMS Avenger decided I was being an insensitive male by giving my opinion about something I can never personally experience...
But, yeah: this is a situation that just seems to encourage abuse. In fact, everyone who has weighed in in email to me has pretty much added a minor caveat, and then largely agreed: this is not really a good thing for women in the workplace.
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Nathan on February 14, 2005 03:41 PM
Nathan, one of the risks of using IUD's is extra heavy menstrual bleeding, cramping and spotting between periods. I just found an interesting web site that discusses the history, workings and safety concerns of different types of IUD's. Here it is:
http://www.yoatzot.org/article/87
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Zelda on February 14, 2005 04:46 PM
Great reading matter for dinner! Woot!
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Yeah, I'll fisk the New York Times:
Or at least parts of it:
City health officials announced on Friday that they had detected the rare strain of H.I.V. in one man whose case they described as particularly worrisome because it merged two unusual features: resistance to nearly all anti-retroviral drugs used to treat the infection, and stunningly swift progression from infection to full-fledged AIDS.
Umm, no, they detected no such thing. At least, absolutely no evidence of a new strain of HIV was given at all. At the very most, all they can say is that this man's AIDS progressed atypically fast. But if the average time for AIDS to appear is 10 years (as they say now), and some people are AIDS-free nearly 20 years after being diagnosed with HIV, well, then this isn't strange at all, is it? Is it too much to expect scientists to be consistent in their claims? If this is unusual, then 10 years isn't the average. If 10 years isn't the average, why did the early AIDS sufferers have it appear within the first 3-5 years of being exposed to HIV?
And resistance to anti-retroviral drugs? Might that not indicate it isn't a retrovirus causing it?
By last month, it was clear that three of the four classes of anti-retroviral drugs used against H.I.V. were not working in this case, and the man showed signs of AIDS, including rapid weight loss, a high level of the virus in his bloodstream, and a depleted supply of crucial immune system cells.
Unless, of course, the anti-retroviral drugs are causing the rapid weight loss and depleted supply of crucial immune system cells, as Dr. Bialy and others have asserted.
...people have developed a false sense that AIDS no longer poses a significant threat, leading to a rise in unprotected sex. Clear evidence of the trend has been seen in the growing number of cases of sexually transmitted diseases like syphilis, chlamydia, and lymphogranuloma.
Well, then shouldn't we be seeing a significant rise in the number of HIV cases? From my understanding, estimates of the number of HIV cases in the US has pretty much held steady between 950,000 and 1,000,000 cases. The HIV virus is smaller than the syphilis pathogen, so it's not like differing effectiveness of condoms could explain that non-HIV STDs are rising while HIV infections remain pretty much constant.
Unsafe sex practices combined with growing resistance to medications among people with H.I.V., has had officials warning for years about a possible resurgence of AIDS, a fear voiced yesterday by many people across the country as they struggled to make sense of the news out of New York.
...and yet, there is no resurgence of AIDS to date. There's just one AIDS case that progressed far more rapidly than normal, and that's it.
I tell you, the justifications and excuses used to justify the premise that HIV causes AIDS remind of those used by a witch doctor to explain why the spirits aren't cooperative...
Just for kicks, here's a bibliography with a few summaries to guide your investigation.
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I particularly like the discussion going on over at Q and O Blog, and I particularly like what I have to say. I know when I'm reaching, and I think I know when I'm on to something, and I think I nail it this time. Go read the discussion, if you want. But my comment does stand on its own, for the most part. (in the extended entry)
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Liberals/Progressives/"whatever term hasn't been worn out yet" seem to think that all values and consequences are the result of society's attitudes and preconceived notions. Thus, if you change the way people think, you can create a perfect society in which no one hurts and there is no misfortune. Big government, higher education, news media...these are the main tools by which the liberals/progressives attempt to change the way people think so that there are no social penalties for any decision. That's how they can support this list:
* bans of smoking in private businesses
* seatbelt, helmet, and airbag laws
* forced unionism as a condition for holding a job in several occupations
* eminent domain - taking private property in order to provide it for another private businesses which will pay more taxes
* bans on use of fireworks by citizens anywhere, no matter how safe
* termination of late-term pregnancies
* licensure requirements for trades (hairstyling)
* costly construction permits - no matter how inconsequential the project
* taxes for the sole purpose of redistributing wealth
and insist they are for individual freedom without experiencing any distress over cognitive dissonance. "Freedom" is just a malleable term that can be utilized to get people to think the "right" way. Once everyone thinks correctly, they will do the right things and suffering will be eliminated. It's one of the reasons liberals/progressives hate religion, because they all state there is a higher power, and that some values are not negotiable.
Conservatives, on the other hand, seem to think that there are certain traits, values, and attitudes that appear naturally in humans and thus in society. The more people deny these values, the more they hurt themselves. The more people align themselves with universal truths, the smoother things go, although you still have to go through painful experiences to really learn these lessons. Conservatives don't mind temporary suffering that leads to greater maturity, understanding, or success later. Believing that there are natural consequences that guide behavior and ensure the well-being of society as a whole, conservatives *tend* to accept religion as a truth, or at least are not antipathetic toward it. And since these natural values/attitudes (call them morals) are best taught on a personal basis, the more people internalize and adopt them, the less government is needed.
Liberals/Progressives see government as a powerful and far-reaching tool to spread their message. Conservatives see government as a way to control negative behavior and resolve disputes. And so in what conservatives see as an increasingly immoral age, bigger government is necessary to counteract the "If it feels good, do it" mentality.
And that's what I see as the organizing philosophies.
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HOWARD DEAN APPOINTEES GUILTY
Federal Court Finds DNC Chair Howard Dean’s Judicial Appointees Guilty
In a 1997 Vermont Press Bureau article, Howard Dean expressed his desire to appoint judges that were not so concerned about the Bill of Rights -- or in Howard Dean lingo “legal technicalities”.
Howard kept his aim true. Within two months of his proclamation, he appointed Nancy Corsones and Patricia Zimmerman to the Vermont bench.
Shortly afterward, Vermont prosecutors set their sites on a local activist. Judge Corsones chose to advance justice in Vermont by violating the activist’s rights against double jeopardy, his right to counsel and his right to due process. Later, the Vermont Supreme Court sided with the activist and threw out the bogus criminal charges.
One spring morning in Rutland Vermont, the activist appeared at Judge Corsones’ courthouse with signs on his van that detailed the Judge’s problems with the Bill of Rights. The signs correctly labeled the Judge a “Butcher of the Constitution”.
Judge Corsones’ solution – banish the activist from the courthouse – for life.
In January of 2005 the United States Second Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan found that judgment should issue against Judge Corsones and her colleague for violation of the First Amendment rights to free expression and to courthouse access.
Kudos to Howard Dean for truly accomplishing his proclaimed goals of subverting the Bill of Rights, or in this example, subversion of the First, Fifth and Sixth Amendments to the United States Constitution via judicial appointments. Sympathy to the Democratic Party for choosing such an arrogant and ignorant leader.
Scott Huminski
s_huminski@hotmail.com
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/commentary.aspx?id=14208
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/commentary.aspx?id=2375
http://www.rcfp.org/news/2004/1012humins.html
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Interesting info!
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I gotta tell you, Dean's top-notch discussion about HIV in relation to AIDS wasn't exactly a denouement for me*, but it did give me a more complete understanding of the arguments on all sides.
Such understanding is vital for reading an article like this one on a "new strain" of HIV.
Duesberg, I believe, was one of the people saying that AIDS was more likely the result of drug abuse than HIV. Well, drug abuse plays a part in this "new strain" of HIV, too:
Antonio Urbina, medical director of HIV education and training at St. Vincent's Catholic Medical Center, site one of Manhattan's largest AIDS clinics, said at a news conference that the patient's use of crystal methamphetamine shows that the drug ``continues to play a significant role in facilitating the transmission of HIV.''
The drug reduces peoples' inhibitions and their likelihood of using condoms or other forms of safe sex, he said.
But isn't that the case with lots of drugs? Heck, alcohol's been doing that for millenia, but not once have I ever heard alcohol cited as a risk factor for AIDS the way crystal meth seems to be. Ande the best argument for its effect is that it reduces inhibitions? My B.S. Detector just pegged the max redline reading.
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There may be good reasons for doubting the conventional etiology of AIDS, but I haven't seen any such presented on Dean's site. I'm open minded on this one, but I have to say that Dean is acting a little crazy.
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Pixy Misa on February 11, 2005 01:56 PM
Did you read the article I linked in the extended entry? That's the consice and cogent argument that I read first, which resulted in me being more open to that line of reasoning.
posted by
Nathan on February 11, 2005 02:54 PM
Duesberg's argument is that recreational drug use causes AIDS by decreasing the body's immune response, and that HIV has nothing to do with it. Read Duesberg's web page, it's enough to make a rational person run away screaming.
what's so strange about a new strain? new strains of viruses with different resistances and characteristics pop up all the time, that's why we have to get a flu shot every year.
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caltechgirl on February 11, 2005 05:58 PM
There's nothing wrong with the idea that there is a different strain of HIV...
...except that there is no evidence of it. From what I understand, they only have bits and pieces and scrap proteins that they *assume* comes from a retrovirus.
But there is no evidence, no new protein chains or anything that points to a new strain of the virus, right? Just that suddenly a disease that has a latency of 20 years or forever at the longest suddenly kills in a matter of months...
...but only the presence of Crystal Meth. And this bright boy assumes that the greatest effect that can be attributed to the meth is that it lowered inhibitions.
Look, Caltechgirl, you are a scientist: if this new strain of HIV is caught because of reducted inhibitions, why aren't we seeing it appear among fraternities and sororities first?
I consider myself a rational person, able to think for myself and draw rational conclusions on the basis of the available evidence, regardless of the actual education level involved.
And this claim that the new strain of HIV has developed and spread because of the inhibition-reducing effects of crystal meth is absolutely ridiculous on the face of it.
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Nathan on February 11, 2005 08:02 PM
Nice point, Caltechgirl, but misleading. Actually the flu virus genome is big and segmented, as taught in classical virology, and the shuffling of parts of its genome as it traverses the large pool of its reservoir seems to be involved in the appearance of new strains with a certain regularity. The discovery of the segmented structure of the flu virus was in fact made by Duesberg in the late '60s, and is just one of his numerous significant contributions. Bad comparison between HIV and influenza. The point Duesberg makes about AIDS is not so simple as you state it. He says that IF you consider that some drugs taken for long periods CAN cause immune suppression and several conditions commonly associated to AIDS but not necessarily related to immune dysfunction (dementia, wasting, etc.), and then you discount them from the stats (they are a majority of AIDS patients, to this day), then the rest of the 30 or so conditions actually fade into their normal background frequency, more or less. But, of course, you can always "run away screaming". That is what Dr. Robert Gallo does everytime the subject is mentioned to him.
posted by
Nippur on February 12, 2005 05:09 AM
Caltechgirl,
A bit of unsolicited advice: your main debate technique seems to be make sweeping statements that pre-emptively designate any arguments to the contrary to be automatically irrational, stupid, wrong, etc., i.e., "It's enough to make any rational person run away screaming."
It angered me a little bit, and I really struggled to keep my response civil. If you draw a circle around your belief, and call anyone who doesn't agree with the way you see things irrational, you aren't discussing, you are dismissing. If you call on your degree as an additional way to qualify your arguments and dismiss others, you are again stifling debate.
If you are only interested in bludgeoning people into orthodox thought, I won't try and stop you. But if you really want to convince people and change people's minds, be a little less condescending, provide a little more logic and evidence.
For instance, nothing in what you said gave any evidence whatsoever that Duesberg's theory of recreational drugs is wrong. In fact, you restate his very logical and as yet unproven theory about recreational drugs causing AIDS, and then without a shred of evidence of logic, declare it ridiculous enough that a "rational" person would run away screaming.
The irony is that you leave this comment on a post that points out scientists are absolutely ignoring the possibility that recreational drugs are causing this "new strain" of HIV.
You never once addressed the fact that if crystal meth only makes people lose their inhibitions, then why isn't alcohol use (or abuse) a risk factor for AIDS? If crystal meth is merely a common factor because many of the same populations that develop AIDS use crystal meth, then it indicates that AIDS is behavior related, isn't it?
And there's actually growing evidence that flu shots are useless. We still have flu season even with flu shots, and even though we had a flu shot shortage this year, from what I understand, the incidence of flu among the population remained pretty much the same.
I'd like to pretend ignorance of flu shots and let you make some more ridiculous statements in support of them, but I won't toy with you:
Simply put, researchers look at what flu strains were most common the year before, then make a vaccine for the most common 5-7 strains. That means that the other 70 strains or so (or is it hundreds of strains?) are not included in the vaccine. How effective is that, then? And what if the people making the decision guess wrong? I'm forced to get the shot every year, and we are always warned: "Getting the flu shot doesn't mean you won't get the flu."
...talk about making a rational person run away screaming!
Maybe flu shots are good for the "at risk" people, I don't know. I haven't seen numbers on any reduced death rate or anything since the flu vaccine was developed, nor did I see any increase in deaths with the shortage this year.
But the only possible reason to give mass vaccines of the flu shot is if preventing the 6-7 top flu strains each year could eventually reduce the prevalence of flu overall over time...
I see no evidence of that happening.
And since I've heard trained medical personnel question some of the ingredients of the flu vaccine (like mercury!), I wouldn't take it if I didn't have to.
A temporary discomfort is no reason to inject crap into your body. The body is darn good at dealing with viruses, overall. The more we mess with the body's natural systems, the more we risk disasters like AIDS.
I'm all for medicine for things your body can't handle by itself, but if death or permanent injury isn't a risk, there's no reason to take drugs. Period.
posted by
Nathan on February 12, 2005 08:50 AM
As HIV emerged as a global epidemic/pandemic during the 1980s, the promiscuous sexual behaviour of certain Gay males figured prominently in the early transmission vectors of the deadly virus as it jumped from Africa to Europe/Asia then the Americas.
After further study during the 1990s, HIV/AIDS was never just a "Gay Disease", even though those early vectors combined with public opinion (homophobia) to create the lingering perception that Gay men spread the disease almost singlehandedly. Often, the public suffered those bigoted pronouncements from the likes of conservative religious fanatics who pontificated (incorrectly and unfairly) that Gay men "deserved to die" from AIDS because it was God's way to punish them for engaging in unnatural sexual activities with other men.
Like it or not, this perception still permeates our society ... albeit quietly. It probably always shall, to some degree or another.
To this very day, despite the broad cross-section of global humanity who actually live with (and die of) AIDS, it's difficult to wade through Media reporting of anything regarding HIV/AIDS without some reference to Gay males floating upon the surface in headlines and swimming within bodies of text. Therefore, despite the best efforts of thinking persons to continually (and correctly) realign the facts and deflate public demagoguery surrounding this increasingly complex global health crisis, old perceptions die hard.
The daily human death toll should have killed off these misguided views long ago, yet this mounting factual compost heap is too numbing for the public to comprehend. It's much easier to remember a few early (incorrect/ignorant) guesses rather than allow so much Real Death to ruin our collective breakfast every morning.
Now we read some "New Perceptions" in news reports for us to recall someday when they become "Old". "Crystal Methamphetamine" alongside "New Strain of HIV" grouped with "Epidemic of meth use in Gay Community".
OK, Let's go back to the Media Archives of the early '80s to dredge up something to match with "Meth" ... remember "Cocaine"? Oh, YEAH!!! Gay guys were doing lots of blow while they ... ummm ... but that was back when powdered Coke was the Real Thing amongst the entire Leisure Suit League vamping at passé discos across America -- gay, straight, bi, yuppie scum -- that was an epidemic of sorts because Nancy Reagan made us "Just Say NO!" while we hid out in toilet stalls to snort up (and maybe sneak a few sexual favors in for good measure before flushing and frizzing at the mirror). Inhibitions lowered? Ya think? With all that booze to swill the entire time?
Me thinks yes.
Remember when? Some of us weren't born yet, so how could we? That's RIGHT!!! History class was for snoozing. Reading anything more complicated than product labels was/is for pencil necks. So, I can understand why all this talk about "Meth" being the alarming catalyst for naked genital sex becomes suddenly Brand New News for some of us.
For the rest of us "old guys and gals", we aren't nipping at that baithook. The truth IS, unfortunately, that methamphetamine in its "crystal", "anhydrous" and "mexican" varieties DOES ERASE INHIBITIONS. Speed always did back in the Stone Age; so did LSD; MDA ... come to think of it, why haven't today's "alarming news" about drug-fueled appearances of New HIV strains included mentions of -- OH YEAH!!! --- Ecstasy (X), and Rohypnol (Date Rape Rx)? *pat my forehead*
Ooops. Yeah, I guess ... OOOOPS!
Now we have NEW old perceptions to deal with: a NEW HIV strain, a NEW resurgence of Gay Males doing exactly what Gay Males have always done (sorry, guys, but ... those toilet stalls are for defecating and excreting urine. They always have been.) Still, aren't we seeing a NEW pattern emerging ... same as it ever was?
AIDS. GAYS. DRUGS.
Run for the hills, suburbia! Those gentrified Gay guys are at it again!!! So easy to fear, too impossible to eradicate.
Getting somewhat back to my earlier (more academic?) discourse of this posting, I'll close with what I know. Today's meth of any stripe causes the human mind to strip away surrounding social behaviours we (hopefully) gathered in our formative years ... exposing our Basic Nature.
If we are predisposed to be criminalistic, we'll be slinging dope and shoplifting (or even worse). If we are predisposed to pick at our faces and fret about all those crawly things in our skin, we'll become tweaked-out scabbies mistaken for walking cases of necrotizing faceitis. If we are predisposed to engage in risky thrill sex with absolute strangers, absolutely anywhere, absolutely unsafely-sexed, we'll be keeping our MDs hopping with STDs ... at the very worst, we'll be dying of AIDS and Hepatitis ABCDE.
The new meth (ice, crystal, anhydrous, P2P) and X are often quite strong and insidious, so ... YES, if Gay Males (who DO have an historically documented record for being the most promiscuous group of Human Beings to an unparalleled extreme) snort and smoke and bang meth before heading to "the bars" ... without a doubt:
Those toilet stalls WILL be busy. Those parked cars and chilly alleys WILL be haunted with groaning reckless abandon. Those who know they have HIV/AIDS (and those who don't, or don't want to admit it) WILL transmit the disease in whatever form it mutates into. Same as it ever was, since HIV was vectored by that infamous gay steward back when AIDS first broke the scene beyond African coastlines.
BUT, Gay males will still represent only a fraction of total HIV/AIDS cases contracted.
What is my point? I made many. But, my motivation for writing this stems from personal knowledge, recollections, reflections and a fair amount of ironic resignation. If the Media is going to start snippeting reports, connecting dots between "Meth Epidemic" and "Gay Male Sex Epidemic" and "New HIV/AIDS Epidemic", and call it NEWS:
SHAME on them!!! And ... shame on US for sitting there after reading it (hearing it, watching it on TV) only to sigh and turn the (page, station, channel) to find something more "FUN" with which to entertain ourselves.
SHAME on me for expecting anything BUT the above shamefulness to go on when we really need a wake-up-call. Oh! We already have that, to no avail. Libraries and universities silently accumulate this strong coffee in case we might want to smell it. It's scary stuff.
It's more than scary ... it's despairingly bereft of hope:
If AIDS-related deaths continue on their current course, the entire continent of Africa will be empty a lot sooner than anyone wants to believe. Then, the emptiness of our other continents soon will follow. Fact? Fiction? Scare Tactic? Neurotic Delusion?
Fact.
100 million, in Africa alone ... and counting. Fact.
Find the charts, follow the trend lines, do the frickin' math. If we still can, that is. Didn't we doze off in Math Class, too? No matter. Empty continents will be good for wildlife, without humans running around shooting them and eating them.
Same as it ever used to be, before humanity emerged on two feet, discovering arrogance before EVERYthing else we should have been discovering, FIRST. It'll be a quiet world, and we might notice it just before we die. If we want to.
Probably not. Dying isn't FUN. Doing dope and having uninhibited sex is FUN. Right?
Dichotomy ... conundrum ... enigma.
Us.
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Did anyone actually ever listen to the Boomtown Rats?
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Um, no.
posted by
Drew on February 11, 2005 12:29 PM
Um, yes. I am so embarrassed and thank you for letting get that out there. I feel better now.
posted by
Scott B on February 11, 2005 12:43 PM
It's okay, Scott, it's okay. Admitting you had a problem in the 80s is the first step toward healing.
Hug?
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I am currently drinking a diet soft drink.*
You are not going to get news like this anywhere else, folks!
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The three best summations of the Jeff Gannon story can be found at:
INDC Journal, Ace of Spades HQ, and Ace of Spades HQ again.
I didn't think I had much to say about this, but in retrospect, I do.
Heck, it isn't exactly a shocker to note the following:
-Liberals consider privacy, especially privacy about sexual orientation, to be of the utmost importance....unless you are conservative!
-Liberals consider it okay for journalists to lob softballs at political figures, as when Chris Matthews asked Sen. John F. Kerry something like, "Would you like to explain why, exactly, these fraudulent and so-called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth spurious and underhanded attacks are, in fact, spurious and underhanded?" Again, it's beyond the pale if you are a conservative.
Apparently "liberal" is now a synonym for "self-serving double standard".
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I think this reaction is essentially correct.
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Infant thrown from car window.
Sad, sick, and tragic.*
UPDATE: A complete report on the story fabrication. I'm glad it didn't happen the way we first heard.
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*Being me, I can't help but notice that some people argue similar brutality (say, jamming some scissors into the brain) would be a Constitutional Right if it just happens part-way inside the woman's body instead of out a car window...
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Too true. What an unbelievable story. Malicious, sociopathic vermin.
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Kris on February 10, 2005 03:41 PM
Turns out the story was a bunch of BS.
http://www.conservativefriends.com/viewtopic.php?p=5864#5864
Doesn't make her any less sick.
posted by
Drew on February 11, 2005 12:10 PM
Nate, you might want to amend that to say, half inside a woman's body. Remember, the head is delivered and punctured while the body is still yet to be delivered.
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Noted and altered.
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Things change, and things grow, and situations alter over time.
Yeah, whatever. My point is, as late as last September, we were still playing "Whack-a-Mole" with the insurgents in Iraq. We'd suppress or drive them out of one city and they'd rise up in another.
Now, though? When's the last time you heard of an attack anywhere outside of Baghdad?
I would love if someone could do a little research to either prove or disprove this (I may do it myself when I find the time):
The scope of attacks in Iraq is significantly down. The insurgency is now contained in smaller and well-defined areas, mainly Baghdad and its surrounding suburbs.
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[snort] that's funny! I'm surprised we haven't actually seen a 60 Minutes expose' on the election suppliers, though...
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You know, it took me a second to realize that this was a joke. I don't know whether that says more about me or about the left. Either way: heh.
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Abbas fires all the old guard in the Palestinian leadership.
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What did he fire them out of?
A nice 16-inch battleship gun would be my choice.
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You know the teenager that got scalped?
Well, my sources tell me:
OK...this was done to remove her "punk cred" because the ringleader thought she was a "poser" or defied the group mentality. How do I know this? Because when [someone I know] was part of an...er..alternative group of friends, she upset a lead girl and also had her hair forceably removed, to take away her "chelsea" (bangs with little hair elsewhere, more common in UK punks)
My source goes on to say:
[The girl I know] was extremely cut up about her head, as the girl attacked her with extremely sharp scissors. It was a violent attack, but she fended her off well enough that more damage wasn't done. Skin was removed, but not to the extent of that young lady...not sure what she used to literally scalp so accurately.
Editor's note: In the news item, it wasn't through a frontal attack: the woman doing the scalping tied up the victim first. Much easier to do this sort of thing if you immobilize your victim first, I would presume.
Even more input from my source:
You may want to stick in a line about "not being worthy" of wearing a "punk" hairstyle, and also, both were girl-on-girl attacks...not insignificant, I think.
Good points, and I agree with both. In both anecdotes, the attacker does seem to be saying: "Your mark of belonging has been taken away from you, your membership in our group has been revoked."
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Memo to self: Only belong to self-proclaimed "non-conformist" <snicker> cliques whose mark of belonging is, like, a bumper sticker or lapel pin.
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James Taranto sums up an item in Today's Best of the Web by saying:
Treating slavery as a peculiarly American evil reflects a weird sort of self-loathing ethnocentrism, an attitude that one's own country can do no right.
As much as I respect Mr. Taranto, I must point out that his sentence is incorrect and not representative of the liberal-progressive viewpoint. He should be ashamed of the vile and underhanded smear.
In reality "Treating slavery as a peculiarly American evil" is a reflection of an attitude that one's own country's conservative/Republicans can do no right.
They like themselves, of course; so of course they approve of their own actions and decisions. Pulling out of Somalia? Ignoring the genocide in Sudan and Rwanda? Being enablers apologists for the evils of communism? Idolizing Che? Lionizing Fidel Castro? Those are just peachy.
Ending slavery? Freeing people from dictatorships? Lowering taxes? Beyond the pale.
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eBay sucks. Does anyone want to sell me a Playstation 2 system in perfect working order? If so, can you throw in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City? And maybe Madden 2005?
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You may also want to see if anyone has a copy of the three Metal Gear Solid games. The first of these is actually a PS1 game, but the other two were made for the PS2.
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j.d. on February 9, 2005 02:59 PM
...are you offering?
No?
But what the heck: sure, if anyone has any/all of the Metal Gear Solid games they want to sell to me cheap, let me know.
Look, at least 250 people stop by here every day...someone's got some good old PS2 games they aren't using any more, right?
I'm not going to buy something just cuz you say you have it...I'll have to research it. But if you say you have a good game you'll part with for a little cash, we'll talk. We can see if we can arrivae at a mutually-satisfactory agreement, eh?
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Nathan on February 9, 2005 03:02 PM
Then may I recommend Gamespot. Their reviews tend to be biased toward skater games and "extreme sports" games, but several nuggets slip through.
You can probably get Metal Gear Solid for less than $10 at EB Games or something similar in the used bin. MGS 2: Sons of Liberty can probably be had for about $15.
And you can read Gamespot's review of MGS 3: Snake Eater, or you can read my own.
I am quite particular about video games; I don't buy them based solely on someone else's say-so either. But I believe all three MGS games are winners. I've kept them long after I've sold other games back or given them to friends and family.
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j.d. on February 9, 2005 05:14 PM
Actually, I've heard enough good stuff about Metal Gear Solid 3 that I would have gotten it even without your recommendation. I was just trying to guilt-trip you into lending me your copy... ;)
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Except, of course, he's usually wrong about everything...
I'm not sure how correct he is about this:
The political fact is that a Rice candidacy would destroy the electoral chances of the Democratic Party by undermining its demographic base. John Kerry got 54 percent of his vote from three groups that, together, account for about a third of the American electorate: African-Americans, Hispanics and single white women. Rice would cut deeply into any Democrat’s margin among these three groups and would, most especially, deny Clinton the strong support she would otherwise receive from each of them.
But I think this part is dead-on, and how history will recorded:
Since Bush’s success in Iraq has laid the basis for negotiation in the Middle East, there is every prospect that Rice may preside over a diplomatic triumph in catalyzing the discussions between Sharon and Abbas. The firm American stand in Iraq will also make more likely success in Korea and Iran, all of which would add to the prestige of Rice.
Here's the whole thing.
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I always get a leetle nervous when Morris starts running his mouth... well, nervous isn't the word, but I take everything the man says with a grain of salt. I absolutely love Condi Rice, but I don't like Dick Morris talking about her. He's just a little too sleazy and opportunistic, and people get this idea that he's somehow a valuable Republican opinion-maker. I always get the sensation that I need a de-con shower after I've watched him on TV somewhere.
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Kris on February 10, 2005 05:28 AM
It's the Clinton connection. He's valuable for the insight he can provide into Democrat/Clintonian thinking, but how can you trust someone so twisted that even the Clintons would kick out of their inner cabal?
Perhaps the reason he's starting to talk about Condi is that his knowledge of the Clintons is perishable and going past its useful date?
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Nathan on February 10, 2005 06:00 AM
The problem is that Dick Morris has been wrong with just about every prediction he's made, especially regarding Hillary. My view of him is as Kris's. And I think you're right, Nathan, the Clinton shelf-life has somewhat expired. So have a lot of his ideas, which were based on non-repreducable Clinton triangulation strategy.
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R. Alex on February 10, 2005 11:31 AM
No offense to used car salesmen, but that's what Morris seems like to me!
Condi Rice is amazing! I read a comment from a Senator who was in a meeting with her early in her Bush-admin career. He said that she didn't say too much at first, but by the end of the session she was running the show and had all these old-time DC big wigs agreeing with her. She is incredibly intelligent...thus I cringe when Morris starts giving his opinion about her and endorsing her for this or that.
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I remember lots of Democrats complaining that President Bush was spending the nation into a deficit. They would show more fiscal responsibility, they promised. Just elect 'em, we'd see!
Good thing most people didn't believe them.
Bush actually starts making cuts*, and they start wailing like babies. Character will always show through.
"You know, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that if you're concerned about the deficit, you either have to raise taxes or cut spending," said Representative Mario Diaz-Balart, Republican of Florida. "What's very interesting for me to hear is the same people that complain about a high deficit then complain about not enough spending by this budget."
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*I'd like to point out that among the blog circles I move in, I was just about the only one saying that the excessive spending of the first Administration was a deliberate strategy to justify massive spending cuts in the second Administration if he won, or to force Democrats to ante up (either by slashing budgets, which means conservatives win, or Democrats raise taxes, which would ensure a Republican resurgency in the White House and Congress) on the basis of their previous bluffing.
The prevailing response was, "Well, I'd be happy to see it, but I doubt that's going to happen."
I'll accept apologies at any time. [grin]
...um, that's if anyone actually paid attention when I said it 6-7 months ago. Which is a good question, to say the least.
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I use the same strategy with my wife when I want to buy something. I discuss buying the highest priced model so that when I "break down" and buy the cheaper one (which I wanted all along) it looks like a good deal.
Then again, the phrase "it was on sale so I had to buy it" is what she uses on me, so I guess we're even.
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I feel like I started waking up yesterday...
What do I mean?
Well, last summer I was stressed out around home, which stressed me out at work, which stressed me out at home and in general. You remember.
Even after the worst time, and after I talked to Capt N about it, I was still always on the edge of stressed-out, because I was trying to do more and more and not really catching up. I was just getting caught up on everything at home when we moved buildings.
I knew that I was exhausted from the move, 13 days straight with all the responsibilities I had at home left me absolutely spent.
I had a hard time recovering...Looking back, I think it’s because we went right into the holiday season when no one was here, so we were actually quite busy every day. I still am not sure why our business never slowed down at all. (I was disappointed we didn’t get more “holiday” manning, but shoot! We were too busy to get any more!)
Then right after the new year I had a few briefs to do and was trying to get caught up on out-processing at the same time. Feeling behind on everything tired me out.
At the same time, I was trying to potty-train my daughter with no help. That’s harder than it sounds.
Soon after, we actually sign the paperwork for divorce. I take leave to go on vacation, but with driving so far only to get the 3rd degree from her relatives, well, I didn’t get much rest. Especially since even though there were so many adults in the house, *I* was the one mainly dealing with the kids and resolving disputes, playing with them, etc., to include my very rambunctious AD/HD neice (I don’t get it...I just don’t get how so much non-parenting can go unnoticed by anyone but me).
Last weekend I drove down to Portland and back. It was a nice time, but no ‘down’ time.
Through all this, I rarely get more than 5.5 hours of sleep each night during the week, and my “catching up” nights are never more than 8. At least two nights a week I feel I am forced to choose between being physically exhausted or emotionally unrefreshed.
Going through this last weekend I was finally able to get some rest. And I’m finally getting recovered. I think I can do a better job of staying on task and helping people out now. On that scale of likelihood of a major stress-related illness, I think my rating for the last year is probably something above 500. Thank goodness I’ve been pretty healthy.
Did I sound too whiny? She was pretty much up to speed on all the issues, so if I seem too vague in spots, it's because I'm eliding over ground already covered.
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Not whiny at all. Honest, frank, yes. You've had quite a time of it. I'm glad you're beginning to "wake up" as you say.
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Kris on February 9, 2005 08:59 AM
What a personal letter. And the fact that you felt like you could let her know all of this says something about the level of trust you must have with her.
And, wow, Nathan. I will pray a little more for your endurance, physical, emotional, spiritual. I take care of anything pertaining to the household and those in it, but I don't have to do that and have the stresses of a work environment and the expectations of my production there, also.
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Rae on February 9, 2005 09:08 AM
What prompted the letter, btw?
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Rae on February 9, 2005 09:09 AM
Rae,
Well, pretty much what it says: feeling like I am now waking up and realizing I haven't been pulling my weight in the office consistently enough. During the move I did more than my share, but other than that, well, I've coasted too much.
Before she was my (acting) flight commander, she was one of the people I used as a safe ear to vent on when situations got to be too much. She's only "acting" flight commander because the other three ahead of her are on leave or deployed.
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If you peruse these pages*, you may notice that there is little or no reference to Ward Churchill, nor Jordon Eason's recent flap; you won't find a discussion of whether torture is useful, advisable, or permissable on terrorists.
The reason is that I don't feel I have many qualifications to discuss these issues, nor do I have any strong visceral reaction that compels me to weigh in, nor do I feel I have any relatively unique viewpoint to add anything useful to the overall online debate.
I'm not ignoring the issues of the day, I'm still absorbing. I'll find other things to talk about, I'm sure.
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Your entire blog is one long article on torture....
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Sharp as a Marble on February 9, 2005 07:38 AM
(insert Elton John signing "Caaaaaaan you feel the love tonight")
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Sharp as a Marble on February 9, 2005 07:38 AM
Well, yeah; but you won't see me discussing it's utility. No meta-torture-blogging here!
[goes to ponder the proper punishment for referencing The Stupidest Song Ever...]
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Of course, they could probably help themselves on this issue if they weren't so willing to pretend to be the best friend of anyone who will give them scads of cash.
It's a talent, I guess.
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Simply amazing what IowaHawk can do on a consistent basis.
If I were trying to run a humor blog, I'd probably have to give it up.
Luckily, I'm only trying to put out crap and stuff not worth linking. I appear to be doing an excellent job at that so far!
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February 08, 2005
I'm actually pleased about his selection to head the DNC. Unlike many bloggers you might see out there, I'm not distressed, gleeful or derisive.
Here's the thing about Dean: I'm convinced he says what he thinks and believes what he says. After more than a decade of "triangulation", "re-invention", and "nuance", I think it could be very healthy for the Democrat Party to have their most prominent leader be open and honest (for the most part) about his stance on political issues.
For quite some time, the President (or most recent Presidential candidate) has been the most prominent leader of the Democrats. But Dr. Dean brings a celebrity to his position that in some ways eclipses all other Democrats right now. Heck, I find it quite significant that Dean's victory dismantles a major part of the Clinton political machine.*
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*Which was instrumental in preventing Dean from winning the nomination, was it not?
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The Democrats' biggest mistake in the 2004 Election was in allowing and/or encouraging politicians to unofficially begin their candidacy in late 2001 and early 2002.
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The sub-title is a little misleading...
It really doesn't talk much about NCO's, and doesn't even go far enough in discussing the problems with officers, but the article still has some good points. Here's one:
It has become generally accepted wisdom that it was a mistake for the Coalition Provisional Authority to disband Saddam's army after American forces took Baghdad two years ago. If Maj. Lechner's experience is typical, then retaining the old force would have just created a whole different set of problems, and might well have further set back efforts to create a flexible, effective Iraqi army. Solving the problem in the 7th Battalion ultimately required rooting out nearly all of those officers who had served under the old regime.
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I think its Klingons
From the Venus Transit across the sun.
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Jeremy on February 8, 2005 08:40 AM
It was Sarah Jessica Parker "launching" her new fragrance.
My wife read that headline this morning on Netscape news and had a giggle fit. We speculated on what the thing might be called ("Blame It on the Dog"?).
The winner was "Contrail."
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Be prepared for the long haul.
When I entered Active Duty, it took six months to finish Basic Training, the Security Police Academy, and Air Base Ground Defense (the USAF version of advanced infantry training). After all of that, when I arrived at my first duty station, I was qualified to do nothing. Instead, I immediately had to begin another 6 month on-the job training course in order to perferm the duties appropriate to my rank.
Nothing magical happens during 2 or three months of Basic Training that turns you into a competent soldier. All that does is turn you into a competent recruit. It takes months of training in basic military skills, weapons handling, fire and movement, and more just to prepare you for the basic demands of soldiering.
Then, of course, there are the two or three years of experience and schooling that you must have before you can be promoted to the most junior NCO position.
For senior leadership positions at the regimental level and above, it takes a generation.
That's all mostly true. I disagree with a few things...it doesn't take quite as long to develop a quality officer as it does a quality NCO, in my opinion. Good officers are only good if they depend on their NCOs, anyway, but even more than that, officers are largely managers rather than tacticians, these days. You could pull a few successful businessmen into the military and at least not have a disaster.
But without a professional and trainied NCO corps, you are headed for a disaster. I don't think even most US NCOs truly realize how special and unique they are.
For the most part, officers set direction and set the standard. But it is NCOs who ensure that junior enlisted are trained to that standard and continue to meet it.
And it will take 3-5 years to get a fully trained NCO corps. The interesting thing is that after we are done in Iraq, they should have the best military in the entire region, by far.
Good luck, Iraq!
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Because I know you want to hear them.
Offensive? No. Unfunny? Yes.
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I just want to know if those things were real.
The only funny part was the strap popping. Other than that the commercial was annoying (annoying because they kept cutting over to old fogies and didn't stay focused on the bazookas).
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Sharp as a Marble on February 8, 2005 06:21 AM
That commercial has been hugely successful. Not for the lame domain name hawker GoDaddy.com (a few years late with that biz), but a big boost for Candice Michelle-the heavily gunned model in the ad. She is having her door knocked down for offers-I have an offer for her as well.
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The difference between a token and model is whether you want more of them or not.*
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Little Miss Attila appears to be suffering something of a crisis of nerve...
I thought about answering her, but my response is probably going to be long enough to warrant its own post. Furthermore, I want my own readers to be able to see what I have to say, too.
I don't want to do a fisking, but I do want to respond to several points.
She starts off by saying:
Christmas
... is just like planning a wedding. Someone (generally the woman, if one's available) works her ass off, forfeits sleep, spends evey penny she owns, and sacrifices endlessly so a bunch of other people can have a good time.
The thing is, those "bunch of other people" probably include women, too, right? So why try to start off with an inflammatory gender issue? Some people give, and some people take, and gender has little to do with it. Now, this doesn't change that Miss Attila sounds like a giver who is often taken advantage of. That's sad, unfair, and she should be applauded for her sacrifice. But
not by insisting that men are lazy slobs and only women work around the house.
Next, she says:
Naturally, I'm frightened about the child or children: I know this will be a life-changing experience. I know it will be a lot of hard work. I just don't know if I'll end up feeling used, or taken for granted. I just don't want it to be like all the other projects I've worked hard on for essentially no payoff. (The assumption out there being that women simply like to work really hard to make other people happy, so the act itself is its own reward.)
What they tell me is that kids are so wonderful that it's terrific to have them around (once you're past babyhood and the terrible twos). They say it's different. They say the work is grueling, but at the end of the day you don't really mind.
Now, I don't read Little Miss Attila enough to get the full backstory on this. Too many great blogs out there, yanno?
The thing is, from personal experience: you don't do it because you don't really mind at the end of the day. You don't do it because there is a payoff later.
You do it because they depend on you. You do it because there is no one else. You do it because, if you don't, no one else will.
The military talks about "selfless service" and at times we really approximate that. But most of the time there's awards and punishments and added benefits to keep us in and working for the nation. Not that there aren't real sacrifices going on all the time...but to be totally honest, I think there are non-tangible rewards that make up for the tangible sacrifices. Esprit de Corps is not a fable.
But parenting is pretty much the most selfless thing a person can ever do. You do it, not for thanks or respect or to get anything back, but because they need you, as I said.
I spend no less than 60 hours a week (sometimes more) involved with my work (including getting the kids up and dressed, commuting, dropping off at daycare, working, picking up from daycare, commuting home...). Once I get home, I make dinner, apply management techniques to get kids to eat, wash the dishes, play with them and make sure they have everything they need, take them to the library, give them their bath, help them brush their teeth and get ready for bed, read them a bed-time story and devotions, pray with them, and do "restless child watch" for an hour, then clean the house and do laundry.
I do the same on the weekends, including getting up with the children and taking them out to play at the playground, throw rocks in the river, go feed the ducks, go play at the mall, etc. I potty-trained my daughter with zero help. There is no reward for dealing with training pants filled with a mixture of excrement and urine. But you do it because they cannot do it themselves.
There are moments of joy in that. The hug of a child who loves you is wonderful. But you don't do it for those rewards. You simply do it for them.
That's why you hear people say "That one smile makes it worthwhile" or whatever...because they got past the "what's in it for me?" mentality and whatever crumb of happy memory they get is more than they expected and is wonderful.
I know I'm painting a pretty bleak picture. It's not really that bad. The human mind has the ability to adapt to anything. And while it is a sacrifice, it quickly stops seeming like one. You begin to care for their welfare more than your own. You truly place their needs ahead of yours. Their happiness truly becomes your happiness.
And that's how I define "Love".
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Hm. I thought it was clear from the tone of my entry that I was being exceedingly subjective--that it was not an intellectual essay, but a discussion of fear (and, yes, anger) regarding my own particular circumstances.
It is not altogether clear to me how "participatory" my husband will be in this endeavor. And I'm not positive that it could be worked out in the abstract: I suspect it's something we'll have to figure out at "run time."
When you have kids biologically, it can be a deliberate act, but it isn't in the same sense of working with a social worker for years, filling out mountains of paperwork, taking classes, attending workshops, getting the house "baby-proofed" (years before there's an chance a baby will ever be in it) and all the other hurdles potential adoptive parents have to jump.
One has to decide, every day, to do the hard work of going for that approval. One has to persuade oneself, over and over again, that it will all be worth it.
I'm burned out *now.* Will a baby make it better, or worse?
Just askin'.
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Attila Girl on February 8, 2005 12:59 AM
Oh my. "Burned out now" does NOT sound like someone who is ready for a child at this junction.
That doesn't mean never. But right now...right now maybe there's some other stuff to be worked on.
I have lifelong friends who adopted THREE siblings, aged 10, 4, and 3 months old. they were pumped....they certainly didn't plan for three all at once, but saw it as a very unique blessing. Husband was beyond "participatory", he was there with love, support, and hands-on effort whenever he could be. And THEN, she got pregnant within a year! And then another! And it was and has been chaos...but joyful chaos...ever since.
And they *looked forward* to the experience with anticipation and joy. They were pumped up like a doubles team that made the finals at Wimbledon.
I worry for anyone who is not absolutely excited about the prospect of bringing in kids...what if they pick up on that lack of enthusiasm? What if they believe they're burdening you? That would be sad. It's one thing to be nervous, but your essay seemed to go beyond nerves.
I would really urge some counseling independent of what agencies require before a child becomes a permanent part of the picture. I mean, wondering how much help a spouse will be? That's a big question, and might point to some bigger issues that should first be addressed.
Good luck to you, regardless of what you choose to do.
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Jo on February 8, 2005 07:38 AM
Attila,
That's another reason I put this on my blog...I had an emotional reaction to what you wrote, but wasn't totally sure it was an appropriate reaction, so I put it over here.
The reason I had an emotional reaction is that in my family, I am the giver and my spouse is the taker. I get 4-6 hours of sleep each night trying to keep everything going and clean and still remain emotionally peaceful...
My point, I guess, is that you grow into the situation. And you'll grow more quickly to fill the needs of your children if deliberately cultivate an attitude of being more concerned about their needs than your own.
But maybe that's a guy's way of looking at it...? I don't know.
I hear some women say that looking into their baby's face for the first time, they feel this incredible wave of love sweep over them, and it seems to be at that moment that they fall completely into a selfless service mode. For others, I've heard it is the first time the feel the baby kick or see it in an ultrasound.
For me, though, I didn't feel that much for my kids until they could talk, and from what I hear, that's typical for men. If you'd asked me at the time they were infants how I felt, I would have told you I loved them completely...but it's nothing compared to what I feel now.
To put it another way: I was trying to underscore that you are framing your fear/anger in terms of who you are now, and in all likelihood you will no longer be that person after your child is born.
Sometimes bonding never occurs. It didn't for my kids' mom, it seems. She still thinks of herself far more than them.
...and about their father: don't give him all the dirty/nasty jobs. When you do, make sure you provide some positive reinforcement afterwards. If taking care of the kids is only nasty/dirty in his experience, he won't have much enthusiasm for increased contact.
On the other hand, never stop encouraging him to get involved. And that means the three of you should play together often. Especially at first, don't just "hand off" your child, play 'peekaboo' or 'this little piggy' all together. When the dad feels comfortable and confident, you can ease out at times to let him have some one-on-one time with his child.
But don't forget, the male perspective on a squalling infant is totally different than a female's. I've seen women spend hours marveling over tiny ears, tiny toes, tiny fingers. Most guys I know don't care that much about such things.
Um, sorry for the excessive response. I hope it helps.
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Nathan on February 8, 2005 07:57 AM
I just realized you aren't pregnant.
Duh. I'm an idiot.
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Nathan on February 8, 2005 08:07 AM
As a mom of three, two of whom joined the family via adoption, I can actually reassure you a little bit that the feelings of ambivalence are normal. Our oldest daughter was adopted, and we brought her home when she was one day old. I didn't have all the ooshy-gooshy feelings, but felt a great deal of trepidation and worry. I wanted to "do it right." I found a couple of child-rearing manuals that I liked, and I followed their advice to the letter, much to my mother's irritation.
Nathan's right -- you do it because if you don't, no-one else will... and at least for me, there wasn't much reward, especially in the beginning. It was hard, I was sleep-deprived, and I had suddenly become a stay-at-home mom and was terrified of doing something wrong.
Parenting ambivalence is not a sign of incompetence, in my opinion. I think I'm a good mom. It just took me a while to gain the confidence and the "feeling" that so many people say just automatically comes. It didn't, for me, but I can say that I've come a long way in 10 years.
Interesting thread.
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IowaSoccerMom on February 8, 2005 09:59 AM
I actually have a great deal of hope, because I know when I feel good about something, I'm unstoppable. But I've been waiting for 14 years: waiting to see if the relationship was stable enough, waiting through two years of living together "just to make sure," waiting to get married, waiting an extra year before discontinuing birth control because I'd read somewhere that was a "good idea" (and if I ever find that writer, I'm going to throttle her), buying a house, establishing traditions I hoped we'd share with the kids (like celebrating Christmas here), tracking my cycles, trying to get my husband to cooperate with attempts to do this biologically, trying to get him to get certain tests done, bearing the expense and stress of three in-vitro cycles, and now the mountains of paperwork.
I'm tired, and I think it's justified.
Jo, with all due respect it doesn't sound like you've gone through infertility, OR in-vitro. Or adoption of an infant, for that matter: I don't have feelings of excitement, anticipation, and joy because I am NOT LETTING MYSELF feel those things. Because once we get approved it's going to be a 1-3-year wait before we get a child. I'm protecting myself from disappointment by shutting down this way.
I'm 42. My husband is 52. I followed your advice for years ("don't become a parent until things are perfect"), and it got me into the mess I'm in now.
Nathan, it sounds like our situations mirror each others in a certain sense.
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Attila Girl on February 8, 2005 01:31 PM
I never said "wait until things are perfect", because "things" rarely are.
I do encourage you to explore your trust/faith in your husband's involvement, your expression of concern about his involvement, to me anyway, seems serious.
In patring, I wish you well, and cheerfully recommend that you be careful what you assume about others. ;)
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Jo on February 8, 2005 01:49 PM
You're one to talk.
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Attila Girl on February 8, 2005 03:36 PM
To alter a phrase slightly:
"Now, now, an adoption is a happy occasion--let's not quibble about who killed who..."
This is an emotionally-charged issue, particularly some of the points we've touched upon (i.e., infertility).
Except for the fact that we've covered some interesting ground, I regret that I even reacted, because I was reacting to a situation I really didn't understand until too late: I thought we were talking about an imminent birth instead of the slow, grinding process of adoption.
So, please, don't fight. It seems clear to me that words were taken more harshly than they were intended on both sides. Obviously tragic experiences have been experienced on both sides, and those raw wounds were brushed accidentally, so let's not get into anger or blame, okay?
full disclosure: I suck at reconciliations and ameliorations, so I apologize if I ruffle more feathers than I smooth.
The point is, while everyone involved has a perfect right to feel slighted and/or prodded, let's all take a deep breath and relax.
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Nathan on February 8, 2005 04:16 PM
I'm relaxed. I was going to send you a note, but I didn't see your e-mail on your sidebar; maybe I was going too fast.
posted by
Attila Girl on February 8, 2005 11:37 PM
Good! Because I was already feeling a little regretful about sticking my nose in it...(but it's my policy not to delete posts or comments unless I really have to...I'd rather apologize and leave my mistake up for all to see and learn from)...if I started a blogwar on top of it, I'd feel really bad....
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Nathan on February 9, 2005 05:36 AM
So send me a not already.
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Exactly What I Expected, Unfortunately
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"Insurgents" turning to attack Iraqi security elements.
Actually, this is hardly "new" news. They have attacked Iraqi police and military with suicide bombers before. One of the highest Iraqi death tolls came from a car bomb attack on a recruitment center.
But I feel in my heart this will backfire. Bill of INDC Journal has more on the shift in Iraqis' collective attitude (plus a neat turning of the tables on terrorist taping tactics*). (Via Florida Cracker.
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Suddenly empowered with the vote, Iraqis no longer seem to view America as all-powerful, or themselves as unable to affect events. A result has been a suddenly more accepting view of the United States.
This is the most important paragraph of a piece at the New York Times. I'm not going to register to read the whole thing, but you can get a larger excerpt at the same place I did: Geopolitical Review.
Um, if your browser has as much problems with the columns as mine does, you'll have to scroll down a bit to see the actual article.
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Everyone go and visit Jeremy and express your condolences. (although he seems to be taking it well)
Here's hoping it doesn't take three consecutive losses at this level to finally win one.
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Hey, I was telling my colleages (who are far from being Eagles fans) I'll be happy if any of the following happen:
1) The Eagles blow away the Patriots
2) The Eagles win by a Field Goal
3) The Eagles lose by a Field Goal
I would have only been dinheartened if the Patriots blew the Eagles away.
It was a great game to watch, mistakes and all. Because I like watching good defense, and there were two good defenses on the field in that game.
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...of course, I'm a full day late in spreading the advice. At least I'm not a dollar short.
Excerpt:
So why do you feel it's ok to barge in on the biggest day of the year for your football fanatic boyfriends and husbands? Are you that insecure in your relationship that you can't just let him be for a few hours?
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Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya!
And what's with the "But America is turning into a country very different from the one I grew up believing in."...? He didn't believe in a country that helps spread liberty and freedom? He didn't believe in a country that could appoint a black woman to be Secretary of State or a Hispanic to be Attorney General? He grew up believing the United States was a country that would punish you for being successful? He can no longer live in a country where someone criticizes Planned Parenthood for creating an artificial demand for killing babies? What, exactly? Don't leave us hanging, dude?
I think it's actually a bit of misplaced blame. The biggest changes for the worse in the United States are coming directly from the ideology of the Progressives/Liberals, i.e., the elitists who think the highest purpose of government is to protect its citizens from having to grow up (you know: experience difficulty in learning to take care of yourself).
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I swear, if I had millions of spare dollars I'd pay for these f*&!heads' tickets. Get rid of them all, I say. America gets even better when they leave.
posted by
Sharp as a Marble on February 7, 2005 06:52 AM
That would be a good web-based charity: Dean has Chief Wiggles, you and me could have "Buy 'em a Ticket To Get Out of Dodge".
If anyone ever wants to hit my tip jar, I can guarantee you that it will go towards relocation costs for any liberal who requests help.
posted by
Nathan on February 7, 2005 07:29 AM
Getting citizenship in Canada isn't easy...if you applied right after Bush was re-elected, there still would be a good chance you wouldn't be accepted in until Hillary was elected in 2008. And then what's the point in a liberal leaving home(outside of green-partyers)? :)
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So much for journalistic ethics, not when you have a chance to smear a prominent Christian, pro-Life, anti-Planned Parenthood blogger.*
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I guess when you have no morals about killing babies, you don't have morals about lieing either.
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The General on February 6, 2005 10:56 AM
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SUVs and Homeschooling.
...at least, according to the liberal-leaning mainstream news media. Guess which one is a key player in this story?
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I can't believe they missed the opportunity to slip in a derogatory slam against SUVs, too; something like: "The Dollars specifically wanted seven children to justify their ownership and constant use of an SUV."
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"The children were home-schooled, so their contact with the outside world was very limited."
Hardly a sweeping condemnation of homeschooling, although poorly phrased (put much better in the CNN article I link at the WWR). They should include it as an explanation as to how the abuse could be hidden from friends, teachers, etc.
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andy on February 4, 2005 05:54 PM
Hey! No fair injecting common sense and reasonableness into my snarky over-reaction! [grin]
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"The victory wasn't sweet," [Ms.] Young said Thursday afternoon. "I'm not gloating about it. I just hope the girls learned a lesson."
Learned their lesson about what?
They learned never to try and do anything nice for Ms. Young, ever.
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That is just sad! Yes, the girls probably shouldn't have been out that late, but sheesh, to sue over it?! Especially when the families offered to pay the medical bills!
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ReaderMom on February 4, 2005 11:10 PM
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This is an excellent time to buy a guitar...
Why? I’m not sure, but I think the reason is computer design, drafting, and manufacturing processes have allowed entry-level guitars to be mass-produced to tighter tolerances (and thus higher standards of quality) than in decades past.
Just a few months ago I purchased an excellent strat copy electric with low action, smooth fingerboard, heavy body (for good sustain), and decent pick-ups from a pawnshop for just $100. I felt like I was getting a $400-500 guitar in new condition: what a bargain! Then I went on the web and found out I could have gotten the same guitar with a practice amp shipped to me for a total of $110. I wasn’t such a great bargain-hunter as I thought.
…then again, a guitar is intensely personal, and every guitar is slightly different. You should never purchase a guitar you haven’t played for at least a few minutes.
Acoustic guitars are another interesting case. Seagull Guitars started the movement for inexpensive quality guitars a few years back…but now they’ve gained a good enough reputation that their “$800-quality for just $230 price” guitars are now costing $400-500. Rats. That’s too expensive to bring on a deployment to a desert climate that might ruin it.
So I went looking for a decent guitar at a price that wouldn’t leave me upset if it ended up warping after a few months in the Middle East.
I checked out some of the cheaper ones…I usually hate the acoustics painted with colors, preferring a more natural varnish look. But there was a green Takamine with an electronic amplification system. The action was low, but no fret buzz, booming bass like I’d expect on a Martin…and just $200!
So now I have a $200 acoustic guitar I like too much to let die in a desert. Sigh.
Anyway, based on that, I’d recommend a Takamine. Taylor, Martin, and Guild are generally considered the best mainstream acoustic guitars. And they price them accordingly. There are other, smaller companies…more exclusive, and even pricier, like Larribee, et al. And then there is the Seagull Guitar level: nearly as good quality as Taylor and Martin for about half the price. Other companies are following where Seagull blazed the trail. The other nice thing about Seagull is they are extremely beautiful guitars…
But the bottom line is, well, the bottom line: $2000 is a lot of money to spend on a guitar that might get scratched when the cat runs through the room and knocks it over, or when your child wants to strum for a while, or if you stand up too quickly. The difference in sound, quality, and appearance from the best guitar to the worst is, these days, far smaller than the difference in price. That’s to your advantage.If you want the top of the line, well, it is the best for a reason, but you pay as much for the name brand as for the guitar.
But there is one other choice rather than buying a guitar, if you have the time, patience, and dexterity. For about $400, you can build your own with a Stew-Mac kit. It doesn’t sound too hard to do, and you end up with a guitar of the same quality as a $2000-3000 guitar, from all accounts I’ve heard.
Aside: They used to have archtop jazz guitar kits; I’m disappointed they seem to have dropped that choice. But I may have to try that violin kit.
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I buy my guitars using the rule of spending as much as I can reasonably afford at the time of purchase. I have found that virtually every guitar sounds good until it is put next to a better one. My $650 Takamine sounds nice - until I am playing along with my friend and his $1200 Taylor. Whoops.
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andy on February 4, 2005 05:57 PM
That's true...but when your toddler decides to throw up on your guitar, you'd feel much less sanguine about the stomach acids burning their way through a $3000 guitar's finish than a $200 one, no? [grin]
My goal has been to just have a guitar whose sound and feel makes me want to pick it up again and play some more. Except I haven't had any time lately...
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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, beginning her debut trip abroad today as America's senior diplomat, said that a U.S. invasion of Iran is "simply not on the agenda at this point in time," but repeatedly warned Iran to improve its human rights record and resolve doubts about its nuclear ambitions.
Well...there are an awful lot of qualifiers for one short statement. That nearly approaches a good example to help define the word "ambiguity"...
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Studing Farsi?
You have a horse named Farsi?
posted by
Sharp as a Marble on February 4, 2005 10:13 AM
That's it? You ignore me for weeks and this is the first comment you leave to break the silence?
Can't you at least slip a horrible pun in?
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Nathan on February 4, 2005 10:15 AM
If you could only see the grin on my face right now.
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If I could meet an earlier self, the 18-year-old romantic with starry eyes and star-crossed soul, what could I tell me about life and love?
I would tell me that my view of love is wrong. That, yes, love is created through deliberate effort and caring and placing others' needs above your own; but you need something to work with, and sexual attraction is not enough.
I would tell me to take more time before making any decisions. Anyone is nice and caring when the love is new, for a short time. But the true person shows in glimpses and moments over long periods of time.
I would tell me to pay most attention to character. Someone who loves attention and parties and fun isn't someone to build a quiet life with. Someone who lies to their parents to avoid trouble will lie to you.
I would tell me that although I can talk myself out of trouble with facile words, it is better to admit error and apologize. Anyone who can't understand doesn't match with you; anyone who won't try to understand doesn't love you; and anyone who won't forgive isn't worth spending time with. To avoid finding this out after a serious commitment, revisit the second point once again.
I would tell me that it is better to have the right person than to have a person, and so by corollary it is better to remain alone than have the wrong person.
Would I listen?
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We all are blessed (?) with 20/20 hindsight. And there is an army of lawyers out there who can back that up. If you have the clarity of vision to understand life's lessons then maybe (assuming you have children and eventually grand children) is to do you best to pass that knowledge/wisdom on down the line. Tis no sin to make mistakes if ya learn from it. It is a sin to knowingly keep the lessons to yourself.
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Guy S. on February 4, 2005 07:47 AM
My advice to myself would be the exact opposite. Throw caution to the wind a little more often. Mostly, though, enjoy it while it's happening. Oh, and I'd try to let myself know that the first girls I will want to marry I'll be glad I didn't...
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R. Alex on February 4, 2005 08:59 AM
I linked to this post, but couldn't trackback for some reason. Anyway, well-said. I wasn't well-known for listening when I was 18, however, so I'm pretty sure you could've talked 'til you were blue in the face and not gotten through to me. Actually, I'm still not known for listening. But I appreciate your clear hindsight, and I've passed it along.
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IowaSoccerMom on February 4, 2005 12:25 PM
I don't believe that our 18-year-old selves would listen any more than our children will listen when we tell them about our personal experiences about young love. This is one of the hardest lessons I am learning with my teenagers. I can tell them that I understand and that I have been there, but more often than not, "it's not the same" and they have to make their own mistakes. You have to just be there and love them when/if the hurt happens.
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ReaderMom on February 4, 2005 11:18 PM
Thank you my friend for thinking highly enough of my scribblings to see fit to link to same. May your journey through life be on clamer waters as it continues on.
Guy
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This is not the comment you are looking for.
Ok, lame Jedi joke, but I've got nothing at the moment. *grin*
posted by
Deb on February 3, 2005 05:17 PM
Well, it's more than anyone else has, it seems.
posted by
Nathan on February 3, 2005 05:56 PM
Nathan, here's a tidbit you may be interested in:
"Marine General Says Shooting Some Is 'Fun'"
Full story at Earthlink News Headlines. (don't want to clog your comment board).
Okay, does the fact that you are a well-decorated Marine general give you the right to run your mouth and make yourself (as well as the rest of the U.S. Armed forces) look like an ass in public?
No wonder the military has such bad P.R. Not with jarheads like this leading our troops.
No offense to the good men and women out there serving our country.
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diamond dave on February 3, 2005 06:23 PM
I've stayed up WAAAAY past my bed-time because I'm playing with my new toy (a Toshiba Satellite laptop with wi-fi) and I just can't get enough of it.
So, Mr. Brain Fertilizer, regarding acoustic guitars, would you recommend a Taylor over a Takamine? Why, or why not?
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IowaSoccerMom on February 3, 2005 09:59 PM
Hmmmmm open mike night?? Cool!
Two things:
1: The Cubs will make up for last seasons mess this year. They have started by parting ways with Sammy Sosa.
2: (lifted from a comment made elsewhere, but I thought you might enjoy same......
Then there was southern transvestite who consistently went after my best friend every time we frequented Sloppy Joes ™ while down in Key West. My friend was somewhat taken aback by this as he was very straight. But his curiosity got the better of him. But I stopped him from going and asking the suggestive cross dresser why, because the answer was quite obvious.
"Never Ask For Whom The Bell Trolls...He Trolls For Thee!"
posted by
Guy S on February 4, 2005 08:01 AM
ooooh oooh - is the guitar a clasical or a steel string?
Giannini or Aria for the classical.
Gretsh for the other. I can't afford a Martin or Gibson, sigh...
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moos on February 4, 2005 08:27 AM
and even though I own one - I can't spell it!
GRETSCH
Why don't your comments remember my info?!
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moos on February 4, 2005 08:28 AM
Moos,
re: personal info. Dunno. It doesn't even remember mine, and it is purportedly my site. :(
IowaSoccerMom,
Guitars, eh? Well, you...never mind, I'll write a post. This could take a few words.
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RaAs, with a bonus: why are white supremacists considered 'right-wingers' anyway?
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It seems to me that this article is dead on -- the far-right has more in common with the far-left than with other right-wingers, and that right-wing moderates have more in common with left-wing moderates than either does with the radicals.
It'll be a great day in this country when this fact is noticed and exploited.
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I was hoping for a Best of the Web spike for my previous post (I submitted it to Mr. Taranto).
Instead, I got my name into the contributor's list. Ah, well, I think my line about the headline is better.
USO Shows Ain't What They Used to Be
"Marines Miss January Goal for Recruits"--headline, New York Times, Feb. 3
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MARINES MISS JANUARY GOAL FOR RECRUITS
Understandable, I guess; if she's attractive she'd probably be my goal, too.
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I think I forgot to announce:
My daughter is well and fully potty-trained.
When we took the 9-day vacation two weeks ago, she did awesome. In the car, she always told me she had to pee, and was able to hold it for 15-20 minutes until we got to a gas station or rest area. After arriving, the very next day, when I asked her if she needed to go pee-pee, she said, "I already did!" The next time I asked her, she said the same thing, and said, "I went poopy, too!" And that's the way it was the rest of the time. When she needed to go, she went and took care of it without prompting or help.
She did have one small poopy accident the night we got home. I think she just wasn't expecting it, and she stopped it before it got messy, told me immediately, and finished up after I changed her.
Absolutely no accidents since, and I don't need to remind her at all. She's transitioning to pre-school now at daycare.
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Congratulations! I actually ended up finding the process to be sort of bitter sweet at the end, but then I'm hanging on to fight the passage of time the best I can!
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RP on February 3, 2005 09:06 AM
Congratulations! My daughter is so ready to be trained and I so don't want to get started. I want the end result, but not the trouble and accidents.
posted by
Jordana on February 3, 2005 11:20 AM
Just remember what Rae said: cut the training pants and sew on some velcro. It makes changing after an accident so much easier.
...or, I'm convinced it would have, if I hadn't been too unskilled to attempt it.
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Nathan on February 3, 2005 02:21 PM
Congrats! I have to confess, I'm already looking forward to not having diapers to change, and we've got a loooooong way to go, especially if we have more. Oh well. Price you pay and all that. But I'm jazzed for you. :-)
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I've used this phrase before, as have many others, and been taken to task for it, as have many others.
There's points by both sides. We do have a country that values the free expression of political opinion, and that surely applies to celebrities. On the other hand, there is something somewhat unfair about someone who becomes rich and famous with the money and support of all citizens using that wealth and fame to disparage and oppose conservative values and promote just one political ideology. Yet back on the original hand, the people who complain about the Dixie Chicks and Barbara Streisand are pretty much the same ones who have no problem with Charlton Heston and Arnold Schwarzenegger....
Well, here's the difference: Credibility.
With great power comes great responsibility. If you are lifted up on the shoulders of others, it isn't right to spit on the people who lifted you up. It's even worse to whine about losing your popularity as a result of your disdain (as the Dixie Chicks learned).
If your fame and wealth come from doing one thing well, then you have credibility in that realm. But to arrogantly assume that money and fame in one sphere automatically grant you influence in another sphere is stupid and worthy of ridicule. And that's where "Shut up and sing/act" comes in.
Arnold Schwarzenegger was never just an actor in the same way Barbara Streisand was only an entertainer. He was a successful businessman before he ever starred in a movie. He married into a political family and showed good politcal savvy before he ever ran for governer.
Ronald Reagan demonstrated politcal acumen as he rose through the political system. The charge that he was "just an actor" was hollow long before he was elected to President.
Heck, even Bono of U2 has gained a great deal of credibility through his involvement in political issues. And Angelie Jolie seems to be approaching it correctly, as well. She understands that if all you bring to an issue is celebrity, you do more harm than good. You need to educate yourself first, understand the issues, discuss them with educated, intelligent, credible people, and then approach the issue with humility.
And that's what most of the stars lack.
We've already mentioned the Dixie Chicks' sour note. Barbara Streisand earned derision, not for expressing her opinions, but by telling career-politician Dick Gephardt how to run his campaign...and for mis-spelling his name. How more presumptuous can you get? Sean Penn provided aid and comfort to Saddam al-Hussein by making a high-profile visit there and then announcing Saddam al-Hussein had no WMD. Perhaps history will prove him correct (I'm still convinced there's some needles waiting to be found in that haystack, even the US govt has decided it is no longer worthwhile to search), but his assertion that his brief visit was of any significance shows how ignorant he really is.
And that's the thing. It is important to understand what you have credibility in and what you don't. I have a great deal of credbility in discussing some issues regarding China, or music, or pre-WWII military surplus bolt-action rifles. Some. I would never pretend that my opinion, as educated as it might be, is the end-all-be-all on any topic. In fact, one of the main goals of my life and this blog is to talk intelligently enough about different issues to gain the credibility to be heard on those topics and others. Perhaps I've failed horribly, but it is still my goal.
Celebrities would help themselves if they understood that. And so, if celebrities display the hubris to name themselves as political experts, I'll be here to tell them again to Shut Up and Sing/Act. Even if they don't listen to me.
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"Credibility" is kinda hard to define, though. Honestly, I didn't take Arnold very seriously until he ran for political office. Streisand, if she were to make a serious effort at being responsible for the causes she supports by running for office instead of hosting dinner parties, would have my respect as well. But a lot of it is simply posturing. I am inclined to think that Republican celebrities are almost inherently less posturing than Dems simply because they're alienating people rather than doing what all the cool celebrities do, but a quick look at some country artists (where conservative views are more popular) has demonstrated that conservatives are not immune to clinging on to a celebrity saying what they want them to say.
My big thing on this issue is how important the location is. If I go to a music show, I don't want to hear a rant against Bush. Even rants for Bush when I was living down in Texas were somewhat aggravating because I knew there were people in the audience disagree and I felt their comfort. The same applies somewhat to celebrity interviews on talk shows.
But if Susan Sarandon wants to talk to The Nation or Michael Moriarty to the National Review, then I say "have at it!"
But don't mix politics with work. That applies to celebrities as well as the rest of us.
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Well, said, R. That's pretty much what I was trying to say from a different approach. You get credibility when you take the time to learn more about the issue and be responsible for your part in it. And part of that is knowing when is an appropriate time and venue.
And don't mix politics with work. Unless your job involves politics, I think.
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Nathan on February 2, 2005 03:23 PM
Hear, hear.
And your Planned Parenthood rants are dead-on. I love reading your blog... you and I think a lot alike, I'm guessing.
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One of the things that bothers me about Planned Parenthood is their very name is one of the biggest euphemisms of all time.
They really don't have much to do with actual "parenthood", obviously. The emphasis is on the "Planned" part. I hate that they assume the only good family is one that happens according to a pre-determined schedule. Implicit in the title of their organizaion is the notion that an unplanned parenthood is one of the worst things in the world, and as such necessitates millions of federal dollars, strong-arm tactics on reluctant doctors, underhanded marketing techniques to teens and pre-teens, spreading misinformation and the least effective condoms on the market to people...all in order to help increase demand for what they are selling: Abortion.
They should change their name to, "Unplanned Parenthood is Only Wrong if Allowed to continue past the 2nd Trimester!" Or even more apt, "Abortion, Inc." That would be honest, at least.
I detest that all their activities are justified as "reproductive health", First, they are about ending reproduction whenever possible (rather than preventing it)*. Second, complications from abortion greatly increase the chance of infertility, and perhaps other problems. So "reproductive health" concerns are an absolute lie.
Planned Parenthood is quite simply one of the most amoral, uncaring, brutal, cold-blooded, ineffective, and just plain evil government programs significantly-govt-fund "non-profit" organizations** I have ever seen.
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*condoms aren't 100% effective even when used perfectly. The pill is supposedly 99.9% effective when used correctly...but no one tells you what "used correctly" means: you have take it at the same hour of right day. More than 90% of users forget to take it at all at least once every 12 months.
I heard a line once: "We have a word for people who rely on the rhythm method: Mothers." That should be changed to: "We have a word for people who rely on contraception: Pregnant."
**good catch, Jo
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I lost count of the deliberate use of politically- and emotionally- charged rhetorical devices somewhere around 30. See how many you get!
But it's an interesting article, nonetheless. The filter through which Ms. Feldt sees America saddens me...
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So says this study.
Interestingly, the impact of smoking is far worse. It slows reaction times by something like 30% in the 20 minutes after you smoke a cigarette. I can't imagine why that wasn't included in the Demonization Program.
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I have a cell phone, but it's cheap because we use it as it was intended: for help when broken down, lost, or "I'll be really late" and "so and so just had her baby and I couldn't reach you at home". I'd say in any given month it has 20 minutes on it. But I am glad I have it, it makes me feel secure.
I travel I-5 a ton and am stunned at how many people have a phone glued to their ear while unsuccessfully managing the fast lane. I think we should have the slow lane also be a mandatory "I am engrossed in a cell phone conversation" lane. Worse yet are the teenage girls with the "I am engrossed in a phone call AND am trying to apply mascara while driving 70 and I can't really drive anyway" situation.
When I was in school and worked at the Texaco to pay the bills, clunky "mobile phones" permanently affixed to the car were the hip thing to have. One time, a woman came in and asked for a fill of gas, inbetween bits of conversation on her phone.
Long story short, she was so engrossed in the call she must've forgot that I never gave her a receipt or returned her credit card. She pulled out of the station with the nozzle still fueling and my hand grasping the nozzle. She drug me for a moment, but by the time I got to my feet she had torn the hose from the pump, sending a geyser of 83 octane throughout the islands. And of course I was yelling "Heeeey! HEEEEEY!" the entire time.
She continued her conversation, acted like a b**** to ME, and snatched her credit card out of my hand and drove off. I have no idea if the manager did anything with her license plate, but I know he didn't call the cops. He should have.
Did i say that was going to be a short story? :)
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Jo on February 2, 2005 08:26 AM
And that's not to say some folks can't handle driving and talking. My dad can. You can. But I think most people can't. ;)
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Jo on February 2, 2005 08:27 AM
I can when I'm on a pretty-much deserted road. I don't try when I'm in any kind of traffic. It's not safe.
I struggle with this issue. On the one hand, people should be allowed to be responsible for themselves. On the other hand, when they fail to act responsibly, despite warnings and reminders, at what point do you step in and start forcing people?
Desite being able send any libertarian into fits of apoplexy by merely whispering, "Seat belt laws", I am absolutely convinced those laws were good. I wear my seatbelt as a result, and so do countless others and there's no way to know exactly how many thousands of lives have been saved because of it...only that thousands have lived.
...and yet, seat-belt violation penalties have become another way of funding govt, just like parking fines and speeding tickets: enforced little enough to ensure people keep doing it, along with a fine jacked up far higher than it should be to provide a good revenue stream, and jacked up ever higher to maintain the flow.
I dislike taxes, but hate dishonest, hidden taxation like that.
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Nathan on February 2, 2005 08:37 AM
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Go read this nice article about how Democrats are not bringing anything constructive to the political table.
No big surprise there, the idea has already been out there for some time. But Rodger comes at it from a good angle with nice quotations. Go check it out.
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I love that skit from Monty Python!! I am getting so tired of the left's "the sky is not blue, it's purple" attitude. Not one good thing can happen without them trying to either cut it down or take credit for it. I watched an interview on Hannity & Combes tonight. I can't remember who the Dem was, but every time Hannity brought up the fact that Clinton as well as Kerry, and others ALL made the claim that Social Security was in trouble and needed to "be fixed", they guy kept denying it saying that Bush is crazy for his plan and that Social Security is FINE!
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ReaderMom on February 3, 2005 08:34 PM
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February 01, 2005
Via GeoPolitical Review.
Here's a few to whet your appetite:
6) No other entity but the United States (and her true allies) could have attained this momentous result.
7) The election is unlikely to lead to a civil war.
8) 20 years from now, Syrians witnessing Iraqi expatriates voting in Damascus will be viewed as a notable factor in the Syrian dictatorship's demise.
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The President Wants Us To Remain in Iraq
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No, not our President. Theirs. The Iraqi President, al-Yawer.
He said foreign troops should leave only after Iraq's security forces are built up, the country's security situation has improved and some pockets of terrorists are eliminated.
"By the end of this year, we could see the number of foreign troops decreasing," al-Yawer said.
Perhaps he's a stooge of the US? Nope:
Al-Yawer had been a strong critic of some aspects of the U.S. military's performance in Iraq, including the three-week Marine siege of the Sunni rebel city of Fallujah in April.
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The latest Asia By Blog is now up. Go check it out...it looks quite interesting today.
Well, it always does. But I haven't had time yet to read any articles to point out any specific ones yet. Yet.
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I'm as excited as the next person, and I'm not pooh-poohing the results or the effort.
But it is important to remember that an election is just an election. You don't have "democracy" until one side can lose power and still participate in the electoral process afterward. Or until both sides can win power without dissolving future elections. We had nascent democracies in both Pakistan and Algeria, but both were shut down when Islamic Extremists threatened to impose Sharia and cancel further electiosn after taking power.
It's hard to say at exactly what point Iraq actually "has" democracy. I'd say that Afghanistan already does, despite not having had a series of election cycles...but we'll have to see what Karzai does in the face of losing power before we can know for sure.
And the most important thing will be how Iraq develops the Rule of Law, something already growing entrenched in Afghanistan. Karzai is using the legal mechanisms to help his country, not fiat based on personal power. And that's very important for the future of his country.
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