Brain Fertilizer

While Titian (circa 1485-1576), one of the best Italian portrait painters, was undoubtedly a "Teen" at some point, I'm gonna assume, based on context, that you meant "Teen Titans" by DC. And if you're bad-mouthing them, a pox on you. ;)

In all honesty, I haven't kept up with the series since the 80's and very early '90's, but back when Marv Wolfman and George Perez were writing the comic in the mid-to-late 80's, it was one of the most respected titles on the market, easily comparable to Claremont's revamped X-Men in both sales and critical acclaim. Those two titles changed the world of comics forever. I own the whole series under Wolfman's run. Yes, I am a geek...but one with good taste.

So don't you be dissing my Titans, Cap'n Nate. Or Titian either for that matter...he was a darned fine painter! :D

Sheesh, one little mis-spelling...! [grin]

The salvo was part of an ongoing smack-talk battle. It certainly was not targeting you...I had forgotten you were such a DC fan, actually.
The Teen Titans are such an easy target, though, because they're on Cartoon Network right now, and every single one of the characters is about as lame as the worst superheroes ever done...including Robin.

I just think DC writers didn't tend to think through what powers they were giving their heroes...so even when a talented writer came along, the crap he had to work with was sub-par.

Simply put: based on a world with Superman sometimes being pressed to the limit, Robin wouldn't last 5 minutes with his "gymnastic" skills.

Marvel, as a whole company, seemed to be more concerned with giving limited powers and exploring how those limits could be exploited and how the human behind the powers affected the use of those powers.
...which could be why Marvel had many more groups than DC, which was more individuals fighting...and the villains rarely spilled over from hero to hero, as they often did in Marvel.

Maybe there's exceptions, I dunno. DC never impressed me enough to pick up a 2nd comic book in the series.

Then again, Marvel destroyed my fandom with the "Secret Wars", so maybe they went totally downhill after that?

Actually, not necessarily a DC fan...just a Teen Titans fan. And I agree with you -- overall Marvel put(s) out a better product than DC. And for that matter, both George Perez and Marv Wolfman got their starts (I think) with Marvel, only moving to DC in the 80's. Finally, for much of the run, the "Titans" was solely the product of those two -- they co-plotted, drew and even edited the book. No other DC folks had any input. Hence, it made for a cleaner, more focused story overall...

Though I've never seen the cartoon version of Teen Titans, I understand that it is much more childish than the comic ever was, with only tertiary connections to anything in the series.

Part of what I loved about the Titans though was the fact that the characters were less powerful than most of their DC counterparts. They were also flawed in many ways. But they were good people, devoted to one another -- a true family. They made mistakes, changed and grew throughout the run. And many of the themes explored by the book had more to do with life, relationships and growing up than saving the world. Instead of being about superheroes, the "Titans" were about people -- warts and all -- who happened to have super powers. It made for an excellent read -- often for the same reasons that Claremont's X-Men worked.

Just my two cents...topic probably exhaused now.

Did you not have enough of my New Mutants argument?
*lol*

And when you say limited powered Marvel characters you mean like Galactus, Silver Surfer. The Hulk, Thor? Shall I go on? :)

Silver Surfer was gay. I'll give you that. And the

Hulk was just really, really strong. That makes him overpowered? It's not like he could go back in time by spining the planet backward or anything, like Superman.

Thor may have been a god, but he didn't have ultimate power when he was doing superhero stuff. I was never a big enough fan to investigate why.
"Long-haired hippy freaks need not apply", yanno?

Still, none of that compares with the ridiculousness of the Flash, Plastic Man, Superman, Green Lantern (as applied in the comic books), and the DC version of Real World: the Teen Titans (sorry Dalin), Black Lightning, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Hawkman, et al.

And don't get me started on the Supervillains. DC didn't have one major supervillain half as cool as Dr. Doom. I don't think they had anything as interesting as Doc Ock's friendship with Aunt May (another reason to hate Hollywood: that shouldn't have been left out of the movie).

Half of Batman's Rogues Gallery is as cool as Dr. Doom. Heck, this Dr. Doom is almost as cool as Dr. Doom. (As an aside: Yes, there is nothing sadder than geek smack-talking.)

I think "enjoy the crap out of it" means exactly that: you will so enjoy it that you will see no crap in it.

:D How was that?

(I think we're okay as long as no one brings up a +3 Vorpal-Sword with Flametongue ability)

Rae,
Well said!

Wow...guess the topic wasn't exhausted afterall.

And no offense taken, Nathan. You can't be blamed for your ignorance. ;)

Who wants to read books about spandex-clad superpowered beings because they're realistic? Why not just read cop stories? What I really like about DC over Marvel is that DC does "larger than life" wide-eyed fiction. Human minds in the bodies of greek gods. Archetypes mixing with the real world. I'll take that over attempts to be gritty, nuanced, and consistent.