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December 28, 2004

Violating the "Laws" of Physics « New Thinking »

Okay, snide comments about the overwrought scenery-chewing of journalists aside, the Southeast Asian earthquake and tsunami was awe-inspiring and terrible in its power.

The news has said that:

1) the island of Sumatra has moved 100 feet. That is truly amazing.

2) It possibly changed the Earth's orbit. Now, my limited understanding of physics says that is nothing short of nonsense.

First, we are kept in orbit by the Sun's gravity, so it would take a huge force to alter that...I think this earthquake did not expend enough energy to overcome both the gravitational pull and the inertia of the track we are in. No matter how hard you bang glove compartment door, you aren't going to change the path of your car.

Second (and more importantly), for every force, there is an equal and opoosite reaction. All my hard science fiction (based on tangible, proven laws of physics) readings indicated that once you established your own orbit (lost contact with the ship/station), no amount of wiggling or jerking or anything could do anything to alter your orbit to regain contact. The only way you can adjust your orbit would be to actually cast mass off into space, in a reaction-type drive. A meteor striking the earth could change the orbit, but nothing inside or on the earth itself that didn't involve ejection of matter or conversion of matter to energy could change our planet's orbit one inch.

So what gives?

Posted by Nathan at 06:02 PM | Comments (3)
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Who is claiming that we have changed orbital path?

There are only a few things that can alter an orbit (I'm talking about any size item here.)
1) A loss or gain of mass. (While an earthquake is catostophic, we didn't lose mass.)
2) Some sort of impact from another object. (nope that didn't happen either) - This event was self contained. (It has the same effect of trying to pick yourself up and leave the ground.)
3) Some sort of propulsion. (This was an earthquake, not a volcano.) There was no ejecta (if there were, it be a black cloud of dust in the sky right now.)
4) In space travel, we have harnessed a "slingshot maneuver", in which we "steal" some energy from a planet's gravity to propell us faster into deeper space. (In this process the planet loses energy in its rotation/revolution energy, but the effect is so minimal it cannot be measured, especially about large objects like Jupiter/Saturn.) (This didn't happen either)

Now, we MAY have affected our planetary tilt, if anything its fractional. This would change how harsh or mild our seasons are. The tilt is somewhat determined by the equilibrium of the Earth's core in relation to its rotation. But seeing that we here on the other side of the world didn't feel anything, I'm skeptical.

But what do I know?

Posted by: Jeremy at December 28, 2004 08:11 PM

Yeah, trying to find the article I had seen earlier, I found all these.

What threw me off was that the various headlines say, "rattled in its orbit," "jolted in its orbit," "wobbled in its orbit," and "shaken in its orbit," leaving me with the impression that it was the orbit itself that was affected.

But none of the articles discuss orbits at all.

My bad. Well, and the bad of the headline writers making misleading headlines...[grumble, grumble]

Posted by: Nathan at December 28, 2004 11:03 PM

The claim might -- indeed, probably is -- nonsense, but the possibility exists, nonetheless.

A body in a closed orbit -- in the case of a planet, a roughly circular orbit around its primary -- could be changed if its moment of inertia, sometimes also called its rotational mass, were to change. The moment of inertia of a point mass in a perfectly circular orbit about its primary is:

m*r*r

where m is the mass of the object and r is the radius of the orbit.

For a non-point mass, the moment of inertia depends on the shape and three-dimensional density graph of the object. So it is possible to alter Earth's orbit by altering its shape or density distribution, without any application of force from outside. Granted that unless the change were really dramatic, the effect would be negligible, possibly not even measurable.

The physicist in me comes out at the oddest times.

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at December 29, 2004 02:55 AM
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